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	<title>Comments on: Freedom&#8217;s Watch targets Hall</title>
	<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/</link>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32649</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 11:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32649</guid>
		<description>you know anonymous you can't seem to stay away from
personal jabs...whats your problem ..oh and for the record
newsmakers reaches 400,000 households...maybe thats why
i also appear on wcbs radio affiliates across the nation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know anonymous you can&#8217;t seem to stay away from<br />
personal jabs&#8230;whats your problem ..oh and for the record<br />
newsmakers reaches 400,000 households&#8230;maybe thats why<br />
i also appear on wcbs radio affiliates across the nation</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32644</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 03:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32644</guid>
		<description>Wow!!!  The Consultant not only gets to go on a Newsmakers, a show with viewership of less than a couple of thousand where according to him he is not paid for his appearances and he debates really inconsequential issues with other hacks and he reads all the articles on realclearpolitics, which is incredible because no else reads, and he is in court all day!!!  Amazing!!!  He should pat himself on the back at every opportunity!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!!!  The Consultant not only gets to go on a Newsmakers, a show with viewership of less than a couple of thousand where according to him he is not paid for his appearances and he debates really inconsequential issues with other hacks and he reads all the articles on realclearpolitics, which is incredible because no else reads, and he is in court all day!!!  Amazing!!!  He should pat himself on the back at every opportunity!!!</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32629</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32629</guid>
		<description>knowing about it is one thing..reading all the articles is
quite another</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>knowing about it is one thing..reading all the articles is<br />
quite another</p>
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		<title>By: Republican Political Junkie</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32628</link>
		<dc:creator>Republican Political Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32628</guid>
		<description>"You" I thought it was "we" or do you no longer consider yourself a conservative?  Funny, how pretty much every right-of-center and even many left-of-center political junkies have known about www.realclearpolitics.com for about 6-8 years yet the Consultant acts like by discovering the site in the past month that somehow he is really well informed and somehow above others on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You&#8221; I thought it was &#8220;we&#8221; or do you no longer consider yourself a conservative?  Funny, how pretty much every right-of-center and even many left-of-center political junkies have known about <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com" rel="nofollow">www.realclearpolitics.com</a> for about 6-8 years yet the Consultant acts like by discovering the site in the past month that somehow he is really well informed and somehow above others on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32624</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32624</guid>
		<description>I stand corrected on the spelling..but you know conservative
thought has progressed beyond parochial 19th cd thinking
and if you refuse to change your message you will be out
of power for decades</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected on the spelling..but you know conservative<br />
thought has progressed beyond parochial 19th cd thinking<br />
and if you refuse to change your message you will be out<br />
of power for decades</p>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32619</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32619</guid>
		<description>Aw, did you have to go and deflate the myth that Brooks is a real conservative? It was so much fun watching Edelman shoot himself in the foot by pointing to Brooks as his go-to "conservative" time after time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, did you have to go and deflate the myth that Brooks is a real conservative? It was so much fun watching Edelman shoot himself in the foot by pointing to Brooks as his go-to &#8220;conservative&#8221; time after time.</p>
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		<title>By: Wahoo</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32618</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32618</guid>
		<description>Billy Crystal?  The comedian?  I think the Consultant means Bill Kristol.

The Republicans got into trouble when they forgot they were supposed to stand for something and instead began acting like big-spender Democrats. They have turned off their base, and many others who are on the moderate right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billy Crystal?  The comedian?  I think the Consultant means Bill Kristol.</p>
<p>The Republicans got into trouble when they forgot they were supposed to stand for something and instead began acting like big-spender Democrats. They have turned off their base, and many others who are on the moderate right.</p>
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		<title>By: stating the obvious</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32617</link>
		<dc:creator>stating the obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32617</guid>
		<description>Last time I checked William Crystal was still doing comedy.  Actually, Kristol was hired to give balance to the paper as many felt that having only Brooks did not provide enough balance.  The Times public editor mentioned that Brooks was not all that conservative when defending the hiring of Kristol.  I will be going to www.realclearpolitics.com and not realpolitics.com, which is an anti-Bush website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked William Crystal was still doing comedy.  Actually, Kristol was hired to give balance to the paper as many felt that having only Brooks did not provide enough balance.  The Times public editor mentioned that Brooks was not all that conservative when defending the hiring of Kristol.  I will be going to <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com" rel="nofollow">www.realclearpolitics.com</a> and not realpolitics.com, which is an anti-Bush website.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32615</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32615</guid>
		<description>and why did william crystal get the times job...same reason
being the most liberal editor at the weekly standard
is like being the most liberal advisor to atilla the hun
..do you agree that crystal is liberal
as well...or did the times hire him because they wanted
a "real conservative" in fact a neocon...
and for your enjoyment go to realpolitics.com there
are a lot of great articles every day about all of this
from all points of view....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and why did william crystal get the times job&#8230;same reason<br />
being the most liberal editor at the weekly standard<br />
is like being the most liberal advisor to atilla the hun<br />
..do you agree that crystal is liberal<br />
as well&#8230;or did the times hire him because they wanted<br />
a &#8220;real conservative&#8221; in fact a neocon&#8230;<br />
and for your enjoyment go to realpolitics.com there<br />
are a lot of great articles every day about all of this<br />
from all points of view&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: stating the obvious</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32612</link>
		<dc:creator>stating the obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32612</guid>
		<description>Actually, Kinsley is a friend of Brooks and was pointing out what is widely considered the reason Brooks got the NY Times position: that he is liked by liberals because he is not all that conservative.  Do a google search and you will find similar sentiments.  Brooks, freely concedes that he is was the most liberal editor at the Weekly Standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Kinsley is a friend of Brooks and was pointing out what is widely considered the reason Brooks got the NY Times position: that he is liked by liberals because he is not all that conservative.  Do a google search and you will find similar sentiments.  Brooks, freely concedes that he is was the most liberal editor at the Weekly Standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin W. Davis</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32610</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin W. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32610</guid>
		<description>If people were voting for Hall because he wasn't an incumbent, how come not 1 Democrat lost in 2006?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If people were voting for Hall because he wasn&#8217;t an incumbent, how come not 1 Democrat lost in 2006?</p>
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		<title>By: stating the obvious</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32609</link>
		<dc:creator>stating the obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32609</guid>
		<description>As other commentators have noted, this is getting ridiculous.  When David Brooks or Pat Buchanan has a position that is similar to the Consultant's, than that person is a genius but he coveniently glosses over that they disagree with him on at least 50% of the issues.  

David Brooks, is basically a Joe Lieberman style Democrat as opposed to a traditional conservative.  Hence, the reason he is every liberals favorite conservative, is Brooks is not all that conservative and he is the first person to admit to it.  He is socially liberal, economically moderate, and a hawk on foreign policy.  If you want him to be the standbearer for conservative journalism, than you can't point solely to his liberal positions as evidence of his true conservatism while conveniently passing over the positions where he is in line with the conservative movement.  

Actually, David Brooks did not start at the National Review.  He started at a Chicago newspaper doing beat reporting.  The publication where Brooks was the most influential was the neo-conservative Weekly Standard.  The Consultant is taking information from a New Yorker article, which a very liberal publication, and citing it without doing any due dilligence.  The article has already been panned by numerous publications and was written by an author, George Packer, who has donated to the Democratic Party and had every incentive to demoralize the Republican Party.  The evidence that Brooks did not become the National Review successor to Buckley because of his religion is a crock of you know what.  He, was never going to be EIC of the National Review as he never embraced traditional conservative principles and instead saw a more active role for government in the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As other commentators have noted, this is getting ridiculous.  When David Brooks or Pat Buchanan has a position that is similar to the Consultant&#8217;s, than that person is a genius but he coveniently glosses over that they disagree with him on at least 50% of the issues.  </p>
<p>David Brooks, is basically a Joe Lieberman style Democrat as opposed to a traditional conservative.  Hence, the reason he is every liberals favorite conservative, is Brooks is not all that conservative and he is the first person to admit to it.  He is socially liberal, economically moderate, and a hawk on foreign policy.  If you want him to be the standbearer for conservative journalism, than you can&#8217;t point solely to his liberal positions as evidence of his true conservatism while conveniently passing over the positions where he is in line with the conservative movement.  </p>
<p>Actually, David Brooks did not start at the National Review.  He started at a Chicago newspaper doing beat reporting.  The publication where Brooks was the most influential was the neo-conservative Weekly Standard.  The Consultant is taking information from a New Yorker article, which a very liberal publication, and citing it without doing any due dilligence.  The article has already been panned by numerous publications and was written by an author, George Packer, who has donated to the Democratic Party and had every incentive to demoralize the Republican Party.  The evidence that Brooks did not become the National Review successor to Buckley because of his religion is a crock of you know what.  He, was never going to be EIC of the National Review as he never embraced traditional conservative principles and instead saw a more active role for government in the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32608</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32608</guid>
		<description>Kinsley is attacking Brooks because brooks is able to 
explain conservatism in a way that even liberals can
understand and agree in many cases...this infuriates
kinsley..so he attacks brooks rather than his arguments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinsley is attacking Brooks because brooks is able to <br />
explain conservatism in a way that even liberals can<br />
understand and agree in many cases&#8230;this infuriates<br />
kinsley..so he attacks brooks rather than his arguments</p>
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		<title>By: stating the obvious</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32607</link>
		<dc:creator>stating the obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32607</guid>
		<description>This from a Michael Kinsley review of David Brooks' book, "on Paradise Drive."

"In the world of political journalism, David Brooks has been every liberal's favorite conservative. This is not just because he throws us a bone of agreement every now and then. Even the most poisonous propagandist (i.e., Bill O'Reilly) knows that trick. Brooks goes farther. In his writing and on television, he actually seems reasonable. More than that, he seems cuddly. He gives the impression of being open to persuasion. Like the elderly Jewish lady who thinks someone must be Jewish because ''he's so nice,'' liberals suspect that a writer as amiable as Brooks must be a liberal at heart. Some conservatives think so too. 

There is a prize for being the liberals' favorite conservative, and Brooks has claimed it: a column in The New York Times."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from a Michael Kinsley review of David Brooks&#8217; book, &#8220;on Paradise Drive.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;In the world of political journalism, David Brooks has been every liberal&#8217;s favorite conservative. This is not just because he throws us a bone of agreement every now and then. Even the most poisonous propagandist (i.e., Bill O&#8217;Reilly) knows that trick. Brooks goes farther. In his writing and on television, he actually seems reasonable. More than that, he seems cuddly. He gives the impression of being open to persuasion. Like the elderly Jewish lady who thinks someone must be Jewish because &#8216;&#8217;he&#8217;s so nice,&#8217;&#8217; liberals suspect that a writer as amiable as Brooks must be a liberal at heart. Some conservatives think so too. </p>
<p>There is a prize for being the liberals&#8217; favorite conservative, and Brooks has claimed it: a column in The New York Times.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32604</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32604</guid>
		<description>I am not parroting anything I was taking the opinion of
a writer for you to see...these are national writers
of significance..but you can either accept or reject
their views...Hall won because of the war...no way
around it.,If we were not bogged down in Iraq sue
kelly could not have been defeated..its not only
new york, and hall didn't have to do anything but
mention that her party started the war and she
was silent...it was the same all over the country
unpopular president..unpopular war...incumbant
party congressman looses in marginal congressional
districts...however this year you will find that
even in solidly republican districts as we saw
in mississipi, and indiana as well as new orleans
the republicans loose because now we have another
anti incumbant issue..the economy....the above opinions
are endorsed by conservative thinkers like david brooks
or don't you like him either because he writes for the 
times...you know where he started...national review!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not parroting anything I was taking the opinion of<br />
a writer for you to see&#8230;these are national writers<br />
of significance..but you can either accept or reject<br />
their views&#8230;Hall won because of the war&#8230;no way<br />
around it.,If we were not bogged down in Iraq sue<br />
kelly could not have been defeated..its not only<br />
new york, and hall didn&#8217;t have to do anything but<br />
mention that her party started the war and she<br />
was silent&#8230;it was the same all over the country<br />
unpopular president..unpopular war&#8230;incumbant<br />
party congressman looses in marginal congressional<br />
districts&#8230;however this year you will find that<br />
even in solidly republican districts as we saw<br />
in mississipi, and indiana as well as new orleans<br />
the republicans loose because now we have another<br />
anti incumbant issue..the economy&#8230;.the above opinions<br />
are endorsed by conservative thinkers like david brooks<br />
or don&#8217;t you like him either because he writes for the <br />
times&#8230;you know where he started&#8230;national review!</p>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32601</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32601</guid>
		<description>The consultant's generalizations based on statistics in the face of the reality of what happened in the Kelly-Hall race show just how weak his arguments are. He cannot point to one fact supporting his wild notion that Kelly was perceived as pro-war or pro-Bush, and that Hall successfully portrayed her as a pro-war candidate. That simply wasn't the issue. What I did hear, personally, over and over and over again within the district was, "I'm not voting for any incumbent. Throw 'em all out." That was the overriding sentiment in our district, not the war.

And Mr. Reed is right. The consultant's parroting of the Democrat line on Rove and Republican "extremists" show just how out of touch Edelman is with his own party, and not just with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consultant&#8217;s generalizations based on statistics in the face of the reality of what happened in the Kelly-Hall race show just how weak his arguments are. He cannot point to one fact supporting his wild notion that Kelly was perceived as pro-war or pro-Bush, and that Hall successfully portrayed her as a pro-war candidate. That simply wasn&#8217;t the issue. What I did hear, personally, over and over and over again within the district was, &#8220;I&#8217;m not voting for any incumbent. Throw &#8216;em all out.&#8221; That was the overriding sentiment in our district, not the war.</p>
<p>And Mr. Reed is right. The consultant&#8217;s parroting of the Democrat line on Rove and Republican &#8220;extremists&#8221; show just how out of touch Edelman is with his own party, and not just with reality.</p>
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		<title>By: stating the obvious</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32600</link>
		<dc:creator>stating the obvious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32600</guid>
		<description>Party dominance of the American electorate is a cyclical thing in this country and in most democracies.  No party stays on top for too long.  Once one party dominates, the other party gradually modifies their platform to incorporate the other party's most popular positions and gradually the races became more competitive.  The Democrats, for example, gave up on gun control and welfare in recent years and Republicans will probably have to eventually adopt some kind of universal healthcare proposal.  Additionally, power corrupts.  Even, if the opposition party has no ideas, the American public will throw out the majority party after they get tired of their corruption.  The 2006 cycle proved this.  Reading articles discussing what Republicans have to do to become the majority party is a waste of time.  Republicans will regain the majority eventually after the public tires of Democrats or the Republicans modify their platform.  Not really worthy of a lengthy article or discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Party dominance of the American electorate is a cyclical thing in this country and in most democracies.  No party stays on top for too long.  Once one party dominates, the other party gradually modifies their platform to incorporate the other party&#8217;s most popular positions and gradually the races became more competitive.  The Democrats, for example, gave up on gun control and welfare in recent years and Republicans will probably have to eventually adopt some kind of universal healthcare proposal.  Additionally, power corrupts.  Even, if the opposition party has no ideas, the American public will throw out the majority party after they get tired of their corruption.  The 2006 cycle proved this.  Reading articles discussing what Republicans have to do to become the majority party is a waste of time.  Republicans will regain the majority eventually after the public tires of Democrats or the Republicans modify their platform.  Not really worthy of a lengthy article or discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Reed</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32595</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32595</guid>
		<description>Just to add my two cents, I don't blame Karl Rove's alleged shortsightedness for Republican losses.  That is adapting the Democratic vernicalar and storyline and turning Karl Rove into a four letter word.  Rove was not as responsible for Republican gains in 2002 or 2004 as the press made out but he is not as responsible for Republican losses as Republicans now claim.  Karl Rove, is an above average political strategist but not a genius.  This notion that he pursued the base of the Republican party and divided the country is a smear that has been repeated ad nauseum by Democrats, most recently on MTP by Bob Shrum.  Who, I have met and read his book, and can say is one of the most partisan hacks out there.  Most political consultants are fairly partisan but this notion that Rove is this diehard conservative is false image and at odds with his career.  He has almost always supported the more electable and usually more liberal Republican in the primary.  An example, would be supporting Mayor Riordan in the California governor's race in 2002.  I

As for Pat Buchanan, do we really want to take advice from a man who left the Republican party and made numerous quixotic presidential campaigns and is largely seen as a divisive figure by the vast majority of Americans?   Pat Buchanan, is probably as socially conservative if not more than Mike Long.  Republicans taking advice from Buchanan should be very cautious.  Democrats don't take advice from Nader because they realize he has his own agenda.  I have news for you, so does Pat Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add my two cents, I don&#8217;t blame Karl Rove&#8217;s alleged shortsightedness for Republican losses.  That is adapting the Democratic vernicalar and storyline and turning Karl Rove into a four letter word.  Rove was not as responsible for Republican gains in 2002 or 2004 as the press made out but he is not as responsible for Republican losses as Republicans now claim.  Karl Rove, is an above average political strategist but not a genius.  This notion that he pursued the base of the Republican party and divided the country is a smear that has been repeated ad nauseum by Democrats, most recently on MTP by Bob Shrum.  Who, I have met and read his book, and can say is one of the most partisan hacks out there.  Most political consultants are fairly partisan but this notion that Rove is this diehard conservative is false image and at odds with his career.  He has almost always supported the more electable and usually more liberal Republican in the primary.  An example, would be supporting Mayor Riordan in the California governor&#8217;s race in 2002.  I</p>
<p>As for Pat Buchanan, do we really want to take advice from a man who left the Republican party and made numerous quixotic presidential campaigns and is largely seen as a divisive figure by the vast majority of Americans?   Pat Buchanan, is probably as socially conservative if not more than Mike Long.  Republicans taking advice from Buchanan should be very cautious.  Democrats don&#8217;t take advice from Nader because they realize he has his own agenda.  I have news for you, so does Pat Buchanan.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, just wanted to make certain that bloggers recognized that Sue Kelly ran a bad campaign and cannot blame her loss solely on the Bush administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, just wanted to make certain that bloggers recognized that Sue Kelly ran a bad campaign and cannot blame her loss solely on the Bush administration.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32593</guid>
		<description>and there is more: 
The second version—call it reformist—is more painful, because it’s based on the recognition that, though Bush’s fatal incompetence and Rove’s shortsighted tactics hastened the conservative movement’s demise, they didn’t cause it. In this view, conservatism has a more serious problem than self-betrayal: a doctrinaire failure to adapt to new circumstances, new problems. Instead of heading back to Yenan to regroup, conservatives will have to spend some years or even decades wandering across a bleak political landscape of losing campaigns and rebranding efforts and earnest policy retreats, much as liberals did after 1968, before they can hope to reëstablish dominance. 

ANY CANDIDATE WHO EXPECTS TO BEAT HALL HAS TO BE A NEW
BREED CONSERVATIVE NOT A COOKIE CUTTER VERSION OF
BUSH, ROVE OR ANY CURRENT REPUBLICAN BECAUSE BY AND
LARGE THE PUBLIC IS BEYOND THAT..THEY ARE LOOKING FOR
REAL LIFE SOLUTIONS TO THEIR REAL LIFE PROBLEMS..NOT
A REHASH OF WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN INTO IRAQ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and there is more: <br />
The second version—call it reformist—is more painful, because it’s based on the recognition that, though Bush’s fatal incompetence and Rove’s shortsighted tactics hastened the conservative movement’s demise, they didn’t cause it. In this view, conservatism has a more serious problem than self-betrayal: a doctrinaire failure to adapt to new circumstances, new problems. Instead of heading back to Yenan to regroup, conservatives will have to spend some years or even decades wandering across a bleak political landscape of losing campaigns and rebranding efforts and earnest policy retreats, much as liberals did after 1968, before they can hope to reëstablish dominance. </p>
<p>ANY CANDIDATE WHO EXPECTS TO BEAT HALL HAS TO BE A NEW<br />
BREED CONSERVATIVE NOT A COOKIE CUTTER VERSION OF<br />
BUSH, ROVE OR ANY CURRENT REPUBLICAN BECAUSE BY AND<br />
LARGE THE PUBLIC IS BEYOND THAT..THEY ARE LOOKING FOR<br />
REAL LIFE SOLUTIONS TO THEIR REAL LIFE PROBLEMS..NOT<br />
A REHASH OF WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN INTO IRAQ..</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32592</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32592</guid>
		<description>Ian, I am fully aware that Kelly ran a horrible campaign
particularly when she refused to debate Hall on news
12..but as a long term incumbant who had a good environmental record, Hall leveragd the anti war 
sentiment in the district...my point is that a pro
war nominee cannot win back the seat..that's all I 
am saying...even McCain has announced a timetable
for withdrawal in his own way...so a one trick poney
doesn;t beat Hall...see below
In its final year, the Bush Administration is seen by many conservatives (along with seventy per cent of Americans) to be a failure. Among true believers, there are two explanations of why this happened and what it portends. One is the purist version: Bush expanded the size of government and created huge deficits; allowed Republicans in Congress to fatten lobbyists and stuff budgets full of earmarks; tried to foist democracy on a Muslim country; failed to secure the border; and thus won the justified wrath of the American people. This account—shared by Pat Buchanan, the columnist George F. Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I am fully aware that Kelly ran a horrible campaign<br />
particularly when she refused to debate Hall on news<br />
12..but as a long term incumbant who had a good environmental record, Hall leveragd the anti war <br />
sentiment in the district&#8230;my point is that a pro<br />
war nominee cannot win back the seat..that&#8217;s all I <br />
am saying&#8230;even McCain has announced a timetable<br />
for withdrawal in his own way&#8230;so a one trick poney<br />
doesn;t beat Hall&#8230;see below<br />
In its final year, the Bush Administration is seen by many conservatives (along with seventy per cent of Americans) to be a failure. Among true believers, there are two explanations of why this happened and what it portends. One is the purist version: Bush expanded the size of government and created huge deficits; allowed Republicans in Congress to fatten lobbyists and stuff budgets full of earmarks; tried to foist democracy on a Muslim country; failed to secure the border; and thus won the justified wrath of the American people. This account—shared by Pat Buchanan, the columnist George F. Will</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32586</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32586</guid>
		<description>I have to respectfully disagree with the Consultant's analysis.  Sue Kelly, was not targeted for defeat by the DCC.  Hall, only started gaining traction after a series of Kelly misteps.  I am not sure where you got the numbers you are citing but a good deal of incumbant's lost in the last election.  Some lost, because their district had trended democratic i.e. NH and PA but others lost because they were in swing districts and ran bad campaigns.  Chris Shays for example faced a much tougher opponent than Sue Kelly in a far more democratic district and won.  He raced a lot of money, did a lot of town hall meetings, was willing to debate his opponent and generally avoided serious misteps.  Kelly, did none of these things.  A good incumbent can win even if their party leaders are unpopular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to respectfully disagree with the Consultant&#8217;s analysis.  Sue Kelly, was not targeted for defeat by the DCC.  Hall, only started gaining traction after a series of Kelly misteps.  I am not sure where you got the numbers you are citing but a good deal of incumbant&#8217;s lost in the last election.  Some lost, because their district had trended democratic i.e. NH and PA but others lost because they were in swing districts and ran bad campaigns.  Chris Shays for example faced a much tougher opponent than Sue Kelly in a far more democratic district and won.  He raced a lot of money, did a lot of town hall meetings, was willing to debate his opponent and generally avoided serious misteps.  Kelly, did none of these things.  A good incumbent can win even if their party leaders are unpopular.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32582</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32582</guid>
		<description>and additionally lalor is running as a "true conservative" a la george bush..here are further commnets from a great
article that you should read
In its final year, the Bush Administration is seen by many conservatives (along with seventy per cent of Americans) to be a failure. Among true believers, there are two explanations of why this happened and what it portends. One is the purist version: Bush expanded the size of government and created huge deficits; allowed Republicans in Congress to fatten lobbyists and stuff budgets full of earmarks; tried to foist democracy on a Muslim country; failed to secure the border; and thus won the justified wrath of the American people. This account—shared by Pat Buchanan, the columnist George F. Will, and many Republicans in Congress—has the appeal of asking relatively little of conservatives. They need only to repent of their sins, rid themselves of the neoconservatives who had agitated for the Iraq invasion, and return to first principles. Buchanan said, “The conservatives need to, in Maoist terms, go back to Yenan.”
The second version—call it reformist—is more painful, because it’s based on the recognition that, though Bush’s fatal incompetence and Rove’s shortsighted tactics hastened the conservative movement’s demise, they didn’t cause it. In this view, conservatism has a more serious problem than self-betrayal: a doctrinaire failure to adapt to new circumstances, new problems. Instead of heading back to Yenan to regroup, conservatives will have to spend some years or even decades wandering across a bleak political landscape of losing campaigns and rebranding efforts and earnest policy retreats, much as liberals did after 1968, before they can hope to reëstablish dominance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and additionally lalor is running as a &#8220;true conservative&#8221; a la george bush..here are further commnets from a great<br />
article that you should read<br />
In its final year, the Bush Administration is seen by many conservatives (along with seventy per cent of Americans) to be a failure. Among true believers, there are two explanations of why this happened and what it portends. One is the purist version: Bush expanded the size of government and created huge deficits; allowed Republicans in Congress to fatten lobbyists and stuff budgets full of earmarks; tried to foist democracy on a Muslim country; failed to secure the border; and thus won the justified wrath of the American people. This account—shared by Pat Buchanan, the columnist George F. Will, and many Republicans in Congress—has the appeal of asking relatively little of conservatives. They need only to repent of their sins, rid themselves of the neoconservatives who had agitated for the Iraq invasion, and return to first principles. Buchanan said, “The conservatives need to, in Maoist terms, go back to Yenan.”<br />
The second version—call it reformist—is more painful, because it’s based on the recognition that, though Bush’s fatal incompetence and Rove’s shortsighted tactics hastened the conservative movement’s demise, they didn’t cause it. In this view, conservatism has a more serious problem than self-betrayal: a doctrinaire failure to adapt to new circumstances, new problems. Instead of heading back to Yenan to regroup, conservatives will have to spend some years or even decades wandering across a bleak political landscape of losing campaigns and rebranding efforts and earnest policy retreats, much as liberals did after 1968, before they can hope to reëstablish dominance.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32581</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32581</guid>
		<description>I can only make predictions based on the facts at the time
of the prediction....Kelly ran an incumbant campaign
they usually don't lose...98% of the time that is..
so to attribute her loss to an ineffective campaign
flies in the face of the statistics..Hall ran as
an anti war candidate..now 78% of the voters
think the war was a wrong decision....more in 
the 19th....that;s why he won..that's why she
lost...lawlor cannot get the nomination..and if
he does he cannot win the election on a pro
war platform...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only make predictions based on the facts at the time<br />
of the prediction&#8230;.Kelly ran an incumbant campaign<br />
they usually don&#8217;t lose&#8230;98% of the time that is..<br />
so to attribute her loss to an ineffective campaign<br />
flies in the face of the statistics..Hall ran as<br />
an anti war candidate..now 78% of the voters<br />
think the war was a wrong decision&#8230;.more in <br />
the 19th&#8230;.that;s why he won..that&#8217;s why she<br />
lost&#8230;lawlor cannot get the nomination..and if<br />
he does he cannot win the election on a pro<br />
war platform&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin W. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin W. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 17:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32577</guid>
		<description>If it wasn't for the war I don't think Hall or alot of other Freshman Congressmen would be in office. The war was one of the main focuses of the Hall campaign and the message resonated with people since the contrast between Hall and Kelly was clear. Hall despite his lack of support from the DCCC was able to win against a moderate in a swing republican seat. Now Hall is an incumbent in a Democratic year so how will Republicans win back this seat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for the war I don&#8217;t think Hall or alot of other Freshman Congressmen would be in office. The war was one of the main focuses of the Hall campaign and the message resonated with people since the contrast between Hall and Kelly was clear. Hall despite his lack of support from the DCCC was able to win against a moderate in a swing republican seat. Now Hall is an incumbent in a Democratic year so how will Republicans win back this seat?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32571</guid>
		<description>[Please excuse the poor proofreading and editing in the above post.]</description>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32570</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32570</guid>
		<description>Sorry, Mike--you're wrong on all counts. Kelly ran a totally ineffective campaign, and what money she did spend was spent too late and was totally unfocused issues. It had zero to do with the war.

And Kieran Lalor looks more and more like he will be the nominee. He keeps lining up GOP and Conservative committees and other endorsements. You're predictions about this race will be proven to be just as wrong as your predictions about Giuliani, Hillary, et al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Mike&#8212;you&#8217;re wrong on all counts. Kelly ran a totally ineffective campaign, and what money she did spend was spent too late and was totally unfocused issues. It had zero to do with the war.</p>
<p>And Kieran Lalor looks more and more like he will be the nominee. He keeps lining up GOP and Conservative committees and other endorsements. You&#8217;re predictions about this race will be proven to be just as wrong as your predictions about Giuliani, Hillary, et al.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32564</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32564</guid>
		<description>Kevin your point is well taken, it is debra that doesn't
have a clue..ideologues rarely do...committed to one 
party or the next instead of being able to objectively
weigh the issues that will determine the election
lalor not only won't kick hall's butt.he won't be
the nominee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin your point is well taken, it is debra that doesn&#8217;t<br />
have a clue..ideologues rarely do&#8230;committed to one <br />
party or the next instead of being able to objectively<br />
weigh the issues that will determine the election<br />
lalor not only won&#8217;t kick hall&#8217;s butt.he won&#8217;t be<br />
the nominee</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin W. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin W. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 04:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32560</guid>
		<description>John Hall was actually outspent by Sue Kelly in 2006 and the DCCC gave him no help. In a bad year for Republicans on the congressional level how will the Republicans win in this R+1 District? If they cant even win in MS-1 (R+10), LA-6 (R+7) &#38; IL (R+5) how will they be able to win against an incumbent in a less Republican seat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hall was actually outspent by Sue Kelly in 2006 and the DCCC gave him no help. In a bad year for Republicans on the congressional level how will the Republicans win in this R+1 District? If they cant even win in MS-1 (R+10), LA-6 (R+7) &#038; IL (R+5) how will they be able to win against an incumbent in a less Republican seat?</p>
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		<title>By: Debra</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32559</link>
		<dc:creator>Debra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/16/freedoms-watch-targets-hall/#comment-32559</guid>
		<description>John Hall is a disgrace. I live in the 19th and when people ask me who my Congressman is I'm so embarrased that I say "I don't have one; he died in office." I can't wait for Lallor to kick Hall's butt back to hippytown.

And "the consultant" doesn't have a clue as to why Kelly lost. I live in the district, does he? Kelly ran a crappy campaign and was a squishy "moderate" Republican. She stood for nothing and lost. Hall was nothing but "the other guy" with plenty of cash from his celebrity friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hall is a disgrace. I live in the 19th and when people ask me who my Congressman is I&#8217;m so embarrased that I say &#8220;I don&#8217;t have one; he died in office.&#8221; I can&#8217;t wait for Lallor to kick Hall&#8217;s butt back to hippytown.</p>
<p>And &#8220;the consultant&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have a clue as to why Kelly lost. I live in the district, does he? Kelly ran a crappy campaign and was a squishy &#8220;moderate&#8221; Republican. She stood for nothing and lost. Hall was nothing but &#8220;the other guy&#8221; with plenty of cash from his celebrity friends.</p>
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