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	<title>Comments on: Ball at firearms demonstration</title>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32733</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 23:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32733</guid>
		<description>Hello Ethan;

"The question becomes, if you argue an inventors right to a limited monopoly granted by the Constitution is unfair, than that argument can easily be argued back that we have no personal right to other property."

I do not think it unfair. I think what you create/write is and always should be your own. Please post some links on this subject. Just whom in the Firearms industry is pushing this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ethan;</p>
<p>&#8220;The question becomes, if you argue an inventors right to a limited monopoly granted by the Constitution is unfair, than that argument can easily be argued back that we have no personal right to other property.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not think it unfair. I think what you create/write is and always should be your own. Please post some links on this subject. Just whom in the Firearms industry is pushing this?</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32731</link>
		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32731</guid>
		<description>Hello Gus,

I am glad you talked about the rights offered by the Constitution.

You should read article 1, section 8, clause 8.

"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"

It is interesting that the firearms industry argues the 2nd amendment, but argues that the inventor has no rights to a limited monopoly.  Property rights, even intellectual property rights should be honored.  If these rights were not provided by the US government, people like Samuel Colt would have not been as successful as they were.

Note, this clause was originally written by the true Federalists as well, 1790.

The question becomes, if you argue an inventors right to a limited monopoly granted by the Constitution is unfair, than that argument can easily be argued back that we have no personal right to other property.

I think the firearm industry representatives should watch what they say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gus,</p>
<p>I am glad you talked about the rights offered by the Constitution.</p>
<p>You should read article 1, section 8, clause 8.</p>
<p>&#8220;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;&#8221;</p>
<p>It is interesting that the firearms industry argues the 2nd amendment, but argues that the inventor has no rights to a limited monopoly.  Property rights, even intellectual property rights should be honored.  If these rights were not provided by the US government, people like Samuel Colt would have not been as successful as they were.</p>
<p>Note, this clause was originally written by the true Federalists as well, 1790.</p>
<p>The question becomes, if you argue an inventors right to a limited monopoly granted by the Constitution is unfair, than that argument can easily be argued back that we have no personal right to other property.</p>
<p>I think the firearm industry representatives should watch what they say.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32727</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32727</guid>
		<description>Sara R;

May Matthew forgive me. LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara R;</p>
<p>May Matthew forgive me. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32721</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32721</guid>
		<description>Posting the entire context of the writings pertaining to the matter at hand would surely overload the attention span of those who stand in opposition. So the quotes will have to stand as a drop of water to tempt them into the fountain.

BTW, It's "Samuel Clemmons", or would you like me to address you as "Mark"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting the entire context of the writings pertaining to the matter at hand would surely overload the attention span of those who stand in opposition. So the quotes will have to stand as a drop of water to tempt them into the fountain.</p>
<p>BTW, It&#8217;s &#8220;Samuel Clemmons&#8221;, or would you like me to address you as &#8220;Mark&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: samuel clemens</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32718</link>
		<dc:creator>samuel clemens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32718</guid>
		<description>A one line quip does not a respose make to such detailed history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A one line quip does not a respose make to such detailed history.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32709</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32709</guid>
		<description>Pearls before swine, Gus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pearls before swine, Gus.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32707</link>
		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32707</guid>
		<description>To: the consultant

You know less than nothing about the Bill of Rights. If you knew that you know nothing at least you'd know something.

The Bill of Rights does NOT give anyone anything!!! 
It restricts the Government from taking "Natural Rights" away from the people. Period. 
The Bill of Rights is written in "Clauses". Each having a Decalatory and a Restrictive Clause. 

THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

Decalatory Clause:  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,  (This is not the National Guard which wouldn’t be federalized until 1903) The Militia referred to is almost the entirety of the population, aka The People, not the Government. Try reading the Anti-Federalist, Federalist Papers and Thomas Jefferson’s writings on the issue.


Restrictive Clause: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now what part of  “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?

Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.-- James Madison, The Federalist Papers

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks." -- Thomas Jefferson

Militias, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. [...] To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. -- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. -- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
 
Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands? -- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788 

"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788 

"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788 

That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms... -- Samuel Adams, in "Phila. Independent Gazetteer", August 20, 1789 

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms." -- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840 

The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court 

Now go get a real Education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: the consultant</p>
<p>You know less than nothing about the Bill of Rights. If you knew that you know nothing at least you&#8217;d know something.</p>
<p>The Bill of Rights does NOT give anyone anything!!! <br />
It restricts the Government from taking &#8220;Natural Rights&#8221; away from the people. Period. <br />
The Bill of Rights is written in &#8220;Clauses&#8221;. Each having a Decalatory and a Restrictive Clause. </p>
<p>THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.</p>
<p>Decalatory Clause:  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,  (This is not the National Guard which wouldn’t be federalized until 1903) The Militia referred to is almost the entirety of the population, aka The People, not the Government. Try reading the Anti-Federalist, Federalist Papers and Thomas Jefferson’s writings on the issue.</p>
<p>Restrictive Clause: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Now what part of  “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?</p>
<p>Americans have the right and advantage of being armed &#8211; unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.&#8212;James Madison, The Federalist Papers</p>
<p>&#8220;The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.&#8221;&#8212;Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188</p>
<p>&#8220;As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks.&#8221;&#8212;Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>Militias, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms. [...] To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.&#8212;Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788</p>
<p>False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.&#8212;Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s Commonplace book</p>
<p>Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the <strong>real</strong> object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?&#8212;Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788 </p>
<p>&#8220;To disarm the people&#8230; was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.&#8221;&#8212;George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788 </p>
<p>&#8220;The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun.&#8221;&#8212;Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788 </p>
<p>That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United states who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms&#8230;&#8212;Samuel Adams, in &#8220;Phila. Independent Gazetteer&#8221;, August 20, 1789 </p>
<p>&#8220;One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms.&#8221;&#8212;Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840 </p>
<p>The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.&#8221;&#8212;Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court </p>
<p>Now go get a real Education.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32702</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32702</guid>
		<description>How many of the party and amicus briefs in Heller have you read, Mike? Obviously, none, and your assertion regarding the context is flatly wrong, as shown in a couple of dozen briefs. But that's about what we could expect from a lawyer who thinks the 2A deals with "bare" arms. LOL!

Oh, and sheriff's and police chiefs are indeed politicians. Do some homework and learn about the difference between groups like FOP and LEAA that represent street cops, and IACP that represent the political hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of the party and amicus briefs in Heller have you read, Mike? Obviously, none, and your assertion regarding the context is flatly wrong, as shown in a couple of dozen briefs. But that&#8217;s about what we could expect from a lawyer who thinks the 2A deals with &#8220;bare&#8221; arms. LOL!</p>
<p>Oh, and sheriff&#8217;s and police chiefs are indeed politicians. Do some homework and learn about the difference between groups like FOP and LEAA that represent street cops, and IACP that represent the political hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32698</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32698</guid>
		<description>I have not been following Greg Ball race closely as I don't live in his district but I would say that this criticism of his millitary record is disgusting.  He was accepted and completed his education at the US Air Force Academy.  That is a tremendous honor.  The Academy, is one of the most difficult academic institutions to get accepted to and it is one of the demanding to be, once you are there.  The amount of work that students put it, day in and day out, far exceeds any Ivy League Institution.  Mr. Ball, then served in the millitary.  That deserves respect and not criticism. 

You don't like him.   Fine, criticize his record.  Leave his serve to the country out of it.  When you do that, you sound like a buffoon.  If I were in his district, I would be more and not less likely to vote for him based on the attacks on his millitary record on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been following Greg Ball race closely as I don&#8217;t live in his district but I would say that this criticism of his millitary record is disgusting.  He was accepted and completed his education at the US Air Force Academy.  That is a tremendous honor.  The Academy, is one of the most difficult academic institutions to get accepted to and it is one of the demanding to be, once you are there.  The amount of work that students put it, day in and day out, far exceeds any Ivy League Institution.  Mr. Ball, then served in the millitary.  That deserves respect and not criticism. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like him.   Fine, criticize his record.  Leave his serve to the country out of it.  When you do that, you sound like a buffoon.  If I were in his district, I would be more and not less likely to vote for him based on the attacks on his millitary record on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: 7Curses</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32695</link>
		<dc:creator>7Curses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32695</guid>
		<description>the wingnut from the 99th AD would sponsor anything about anything.  it is incredible that the republicans aren't handing out nose clips at the committee meetings to repel the stench from this depraved severely warped lunatic.  any republican that stands next to him and smiles while he belches his hyperbole should be run out of town along with him.  and citizens should demand a complete refund for the taxpayer funded education he got at the air force academy.  imagine if he had actually learned how to fly a plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the wingnut from the 99th AD would sponsor anything about anything.  it is incredible that the republicans aren&#8217;t handing out nose clips at the committee meetings to repel the stench from this depraved severely warped lunatic.  any republican that stands next to him and smiles while he belches his hyperbole should be run out of town along with him.  and citizens should demand a complete refund for the taxpayer funded education he got at the air force academy.  imagine if he had actually learned how to fly a plane.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32694</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32694</guid>
		<description>probably correct but the clear meaning of the words
are in the context of organized self defense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probably correct but the clear meaning of the words<br />
are in the context of organized self defense</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32685</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32685</guid>
		<description>As to the argument, whether the right to bare arms is a collective right vs. an individual right, we will have an answer from the Supreme Court sometime this year.  Most judicial watchers, believe the court will come down in favor of an individual right (Perhaps, a different court would rule differently) and even many liberal law professors such as Larry Tribe at Harvard believe the founders intent was that there be an individual right to bare arms.  Then the question becomes how much regulation can exist on that right and that will likely be more complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to the argument, whether the right to bare arms is a collective right vs. an individual right, we will have an answer from the Supreme Court sometime this year.  Most judicial watchers, believe the court will come down in favor of an individual right (Perhaps, a different court would rule differently) and even many liberal law professors such as Larry Tribe at Harvard believe the founders intent was that there be an individual right to bare arms.  Then the question becomes how much regulation can exist on that right and that will likely be more complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32684</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32684</guid>
		<description>Even assuming the police organizations do support this bill, that is evidence in favor of supporting the legislation but it is not dispositive.  Under that line of reasoning, we should get rid of Miranda rights as most police organizations believe that they are unnecessary and lead to many confessions being suppressed.  The fact is police concerns have to be balanced with public concerns and individual rights in our constitution.   

Whether this is good law or not, I will reserve judgment but I am not going to blindly support something based solely on police organizations endorsements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even assuming the police organizations do support this bill, that is evidence in favor of supporting the legislation but it is not dispositive.  Under that line of reasoning, we should get rid of Miranda rights as most police organizations believe that they are unnecessary and lead to many confessions being suppressed.  The fact is police concerns have to be balanced with public concerns and individual rights in our constitution.   </p>
<p>Whether this is good law or not, I will reserve judgment but I am not going to blindly support something based solely on police organizations endorsements.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32683</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32683</guid>
		<description>thanks for your interpretation of the 2nd amendment
however I don't read it that way...the constitution
doesn't speak to the right to keep and bare arms
outside of an organized militia...period</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your interpretation of the 2nd amendment<br />
however I don&#8217;t read it that way&#8230;the constitution<br />
doesn&#8217;t speak to the right to keep and bare arms<br />
outside of an organized militia&#8230;period</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32682</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32682</guid>
		<description>notice in how dismissing the support of law enforcement
officials sara refers to them as the "political appointees"
while saying that rank and file police groups rarely support
gun control....
in california 55 police chiefs and sherrifs all over the
state supported micorstamping...I have a hard time they
did it for "political" reasons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>notice in how dismissing the support of law enforcement<br />
officials sara refers to them as the &#8220;political appointees&#8221;<br />
while saying that rank and file police groups rarely support<br />
gun control&#8230;.<br />
in california 55 police chiefs and sherrifs all over the<br />
state supported micorstamping&#8230;I have a hard time they<br />
did it for &#8220;political&#8221; reasons</p>
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		<title>By: chatter</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32680</link>
		<dc:creator>chatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32680</guid>
		<description>Mike, Greg Ball is against microstamping because that's the most controversial position on this issue. Controversy meaning people will talk about him and he might even get his name in the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Greg Ball is against microstamping because that&#8217;s the most controversial position on this issue. Controversy meaning people will talk about him and he might even get his name in the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Weinbaum</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32679</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Weinbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32679</guid>
		<description>There have lately been a lot of articles in the media on guns.  As a Jewess in the US, I want to remind everyone that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk.  And that America wasn't won with a registered gun!  That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have lately been a lot of articles in the media on guns.  As a Jewess in the US, I want to remind everyone that criminals are stopped by FIREARMS, not by talk.  And that America wasn&#8217;t won with a registered gun!  That is why all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32678</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32678</guid>
		<description>Gun control ONLY works against honest citizens. Microstamping will then make honest citizens accountable for the actions of criminals.
You might as well inject RFIDs at birth, that way you can track everyone and see exactly who was where when a crime occurs.  It would work better than microstamping cases but, then it would ALSO be a violation of the Constitution.

What do people NOT understand about the phrase "Shall Not Be Infringed"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gun control ONLY works against honest citizens. Microstamping will then make honest citizens accountable for the actions of criminals.<br />
You might as well inject RFIDs at birth, that way you can track everyone and see exactly who was where when a crime occurs.  It would work better than microstamping cases but, then it would ALSO be a violation of the Constitution.</p>
<p>What do people NOT understand about the phrase &#8220;Shall Not Be Infringed&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32677</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32677</guid>
		<description>and that sara answers my question about microstamping
but thanks for your trenchant introduction to the issue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and that sara answers my question about microstamping<br />
but thanks for your trenchant introduction to the issue</p>
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		<title>By: Re:</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32672</link>
		<dc:creator>Re:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32672</guid>
		<description>Microstamping is easily defeated with a $2 file, or the simple replacement of a firing pin. Even in cases where the technology works, records of stolen weapons obtained from shell casings may lead the police not to the criminal, but to the rightful owner, whose rights and reputation will be in jeopardy. In the alternative, police might be led to the owner of the gun from whom a cartridge was fired, but recovered and purposely dropped at a crime scene at another time and place.

As with all gun laws, this one will only affect the law-abiding while criminals laugh. But the purpose of the gun-grabbers is not to prevent crime, but to remove the capacity of lawful citizens to defend themselves. Their transparent appeals to emotion (speaking about "mothers", for example) belie their utter disregard for both Constitutional rights and reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microstamping is easily defeated with a $2 file, or the simple replacement of a firing pin. Even in cases where the technology works, records of stolen weapons obtained from shell casings may lead the police not to the criminal, but to the rightful owner, whose rights and reputation will be in jeopardy. In the alternative, police might be led to the owner of the gun from whom a cartridge was fired, but recovered and purposely dropped at a crime scene at another time and place.</p>
<p>As with all gun laws, this one will only affect the law-abiding while criminals laugh. But the purpose of the gun-grabbers is not to prevent crime, but to remove the capacity of lawful citizens to defend themselves. Their transparent appeals to emotion (speaking about &#8220;mothers&#8221;, for example) belie their utter disregard for both Constitutional rights and reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara R</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32671</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32671</guid>
		<description>Edelman's ignorance and naivete is astounding. First, rank-and-file police groups rarely support gun control. Police groups comprised of politically motivated chiefs and executives (you know, the political appointees) support the gun control policies of their mayors and other political bosses. 

And here's why such legislation should be opposed (via NSSF). Recent independent, peer-reviewed, studies published in the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners proved that the technology of microstamping is unreliable and does not function as the patent holder claims. It can be easily defeated in mere seconds using common household tools or criminals could simply switch the engraved firing pin for readily available unmarked spare parts, thereby circumventing the technology.

Experts at the University of California, Davis, recently finished a study of the technology which was requested and funded by the California State Legislature. The conclusions about the technology are straightforward and direct. The researchers found this patented technology "flawed" and concluded that "At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology in all semiautomatic handguns in the state of California be made. Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required." 

Sport shooting and other groups, including major law enforcement organizations, are opposed to this unproven and unreliable technology. The cost of this dubious technology is a great concern to firearms owners and taxpayers alike. Microstamping legislation in California would not only have forced consumers of firearms to pay exorbitant price increases ― as much as $200 per firearm ― to cover the increased cost of microstamping, but substantially higher taxes for the cost of microstamped law enforcement guns.

To date, three comprehensive studies have been done on firearms microstamping: Professor George Krivosta, for the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners; The University of California at Davis; and most recently the National Academy of Sciences.  All three of these independent studies concluded that the patented, sole-sourced technology of firearms microstamping is easily defeated by criminals, flawed, unreliable and must be studied further before any legislature even considers mandating the technology.    

"Further studies are needed on the durability of microstamping marks under various firing conditions and their susceptibility to tampering, as well as on the their cost impact for manufacturers and consumers."
-- National Academy of Science Study

"Implementing this technology will be much more complicated than burning a serial number on a few parts and dropping them into firearms being manufactured."
--  Professor George Krivosta, The professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners

"At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology be made.  Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required."
-- University of California at Davis on Firearms Microstamping</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edelman&#8217;s ignorance and naivete is astounding. First, rank-and-file police groups rarely support gun control. Police groups comprised of politically motivated chiefs and executives (you know, the political appointees) support the gun control policies of their mayors and other political bosses. </p>
<p>And here&#8217;s why such legislation should be opposed (via NSSF). Recent independent, peer-reviewed, studies published in the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners proved that the technology of microstamping is unreliable and does not function as the patent holder claims. It can be easily defeated in mere seconds using common household tools or criminals could simply switch the engraved firing pin for readily available unmarked spare parts, thereby circumventing the technology.</p>
<p>Experts at the University of California, Davis, recently finished a study of the technology which was requested and funded by the California State Legislature. The conclusions about the technology are straightforward and direct. The researchers found this patented technology &#8220;flawed&#8221; and concluded that &#8220;At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology in all semiautomatic handguns in the state of California be made. Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required.&#8221; </p>
<p>Sport shooting and other groups, including major law enforcement organizations, are opposed to this unproven and unreliable technology. The cost of this dubious technology is a great concern to firearms owners and taxpayers alike. Microstamping legislation in California would not only have forced consumers of firearms to pay exorbitant price increases ― as much as $200 per firearm ― to cover the increased cost of microstamping, but substantially higher taxes for the cost of microstamped law enforcement guns.</p>
<p>To date, three comprehensive studies have been done on firearms microstamping: Professor George Krivosta, for the professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners; The University of California at Davis; and most recently the National Academy of Sciences.  All three of these independent studies concluded that the patented, sole-sourced technology of firearms microstamping is easily defeated by criminals, flawed, unreliable and must be studied further before any legislature even considers mandating the technology.    </p>
<p>&#8220;Further studies are needed on the durability of microstamping marks under various firing conditions and their susceptibility to tampering, as well as on the their cost impact for manufacturers and consumers.&#8221;&#8212;National Academy of Science Study</p>
<p>&#8220;Implementing this technology will be much more complicated than burning a serial number on a few parts and dropping them into firearms being manufactured.&#8221;&#8212; Professor George Krivosta, The professional scholarly journal for forensic firearms examiners</p>
<p>&#8220;At the current time it is not recommended that a mandate for implementation of this technology be made.  Further testing, analysis and evaluation is required.&#8221;&#8212;University of California at Davis on Firearms Microstamping</p>
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		<title>By: bang bang</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32670</link>
		<dc:creator>bang bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32670</guid>
		<description>watching greg ball in this video, i almost feel bad for him. he's a very sad individual who barely won election last time around and now prances around the capitol as though he is 1) relevant and 2) knowledgeable enough to crash events and start scenes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watching greg ball in this video, i almost feel bad for him. he&#8217;s a very sad individual who barely won election last time around and now prances around the capitol as though he is 1) relevant and 2) knowledgeable enough to crash events and start scenes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32669</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32669</guid>
		<description>I have a question for all those against microstamping
if a handgun automatically microstamps any round it
fires, regardless of who the registered owner may be
why wouldn't you want that information if a crime is
committed with that particular hand gun..how does
this interefere with the lawful ownership of a handgun
since if it is used legally the microstamp is irrelevant
and if not used legally than the microstamp is helpful
for law enforment...as i understand it virtually every
police agency supports this bill,and if that is the
case why wouldn't you want to enact a bill supported
by those on the front lines of protecting the citizens
of new york....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for all those against microstamping<br />
if a handgun automatically microstamps any round it<br />
fires, regardless of who the registered owner may be<br />
why wouldn&#8217;t you want that information if a crime is<br />
committed with that particular hand gun..how does<br />
this interefere with the lawful ownership of a handgun<br />
since if it is used legally the microstamp is irrelevant<br />
and if not used legally than the microstamp is helpful<br />
for law enforment&#8230;as i understand it virtually every<br />
police agency supports this bill,and if that is the<br />
case why wouldn&#8217;t you want to enact a bill supported<br />
by those on the front lines of protecting the citizens<br />
of new york&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LESS GUNS</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32667</link>
		<dc:creator>LESS GUNS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32667</guid>
		<description>Greg Ball has been pushing a piece of legislation that would lower the age requirement to purchase a firearm from 18 to 15.

After Columbine &#38; Virginia Tech we don't need to be making it easier for children to have access to deadly weapons.

Just one more extreme position adopted by Greg Ball. This guy doesn't care about his community, he cares about making news and promoting himself and his hyper-partisan agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg Ball has been pushing a piece of legislation that would lower the age requirement to purchase a firearm from 18 to 15.</p>
<p>After Columbine &#038; Virginia Tech we don&#8217;t need to be making it easier for children to have access to deadly weapons.</p>
<p>Just one more extreme position adopted by Greg Ball. This guy doesn&#8217;t care about his community, he cares about making news and promoting himself and his hyper-partisan agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C.</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32662</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32662</guid>
		<description>Do people think criminals will micro stamp their ammo???? 
Of course Ball jumps on this.  I still will not vote for him.  Being a veteran I find Ball misleading to us as a group and a disgruntled person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do people think criminals will micro stamp their ammo???? <br />
Of course Ball jumps on this.  I still will not vote for him.  Being a veteran I find Ball misleading to us as a group and a disgruntled person.</p>
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		<title>By: chester arthur</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32660</link>
		<dc:creator>chester arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32660</guid>
		<description>If microstamping worked,the proponents wouldn't be so quick to muzzle those who oppose the pointless mandated use of the technology when the scientific testing of the method shows so little promise.We know they oppose the 2nd amendmentThe 1st must also be an inconvienience.Apparently working in the legislature as a gun-grabber dulls the mind as easily as a file dulls microstamping on a firing pin.Will criminals use microstamping guns without using a file first?Nope.Will they use gathered reloaded shell casings to cast guilt elsewhere?Yep.Will this microstamping law catch a single criminal?Nope.Look at the 'success' of the Sullivan law in stopping New York criminals.Look at Bloomberg's efforts to blame his inability to stop them on other states whose crimes are largely committed by Bloomberg's free-ranging criminal class.Ms. Shimel is a schmo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If microstamping worked,the proponents wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to muzzle those who oppose the pointless mandated use of the technology when the scientific testing of the method shows so little promise.We know they oppose the 2nd amendmentThe 1st must also be an inconvienience.Apparently working in the legislature as a gun-grabber dulls the mind as easily as a file dulls microstamping on a firing pin.Will criminals use microstamping guns without using a file first?Nope.Will they use gathered reloaded shell casings to cast guilt elsewhere?Yep.Will this microstamping law catch a single criminal?Nope.Look at the &#8216;success&#8217; of the Sullivan law in stopping New York criminals.Look at Bloomberg&#8217;s efforts to blame his inability to stop them on other states whose crimes are largely committed by Bloomberg&#8217;s free-ranging criminal class.Ms. Shimel is a schmo.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32659</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 13:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32659</guid>
		<description>I do not care one bit about who raises the flag on this junk science, politic driven legislation.  I am just happy to see that someone forced the media to give an honest review of this panderous event.

If NY feels so strongly about passing more laws, then they should come up with a few that address criminals and stop infringing upon law-abiding free citizens.

Schimel, Silver, Schumer, and Clinton among others should all be dismissed from their duties for violating their oath of office--to uphold the United States Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not care one bit about who raises the flag on this junk science, politic driven legislation.  I am just happy to see that someone forced the media to give an honest review of this panderous event.</p>
<p>If NY feels so strongly about passing more laws, then they should come up with a few that address criminals and stop infringing upon law-abiding free citizens.</p>
<p>Schimel, Silver, Schumer, and Clinton among others should all be dismissed from their duties for violating their oath of office&#8212;to uphold the United States Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: LIBERAL WHINERS????</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32639</link>
		<dc:creator>LIBERAL WHINERS????</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32639</guid>
		<description>Ball jumps onto any news that will gain him attention that he is doing something then he will issue news releases as though he has.  What has he done is nothing.

Where does Ball live? Back with Mommie and Daddy?  If that is true, shame on him for being so dependent on his parents.  Time to move on and be independent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball jumps onto any news that will gain him attention that he is doing something then he will issue news releases as though he has.  What has he done is nothing.</p>
<p>Where does Ball live? Back with Mommie and Daddy?  If that is true, shame on him for being so dependent on his parents.  Time to move on and be independent.</p>
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		<title>By: DeflateBall'08</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32636</link>
		<dc:creator>DeflateBall'08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 02:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32636</guid>
		<description>Why does everybody who gets close to Ball end up seperating themselves from him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everybody who gets close to Ball end up seperating themselves from him?</p>
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		<title>By: IM</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32632</link>
		<dc:creator>IM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/19/ball-at-firearms-demonstration/#comment-32632</guid>
		<description>Why does Greg Ball continue to state (R-Carmel) ??? 

He does not live in Carmel. His partner kicked him out and he is now back living in Pawling claiming his residence as Putnam Lake... Just one more example of how sloppy Greg Ball's office is. They can't get anything right and they lie to cover up all wrongdoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Greg Ball continue to state (R-Carmel) ??? </p>
<p>He does not live in Carmel. His partner kicked him out and he is now back living in Pawling claiming his residence as Putnam Lake&#8230; Just one more example of how sloppy Greg Ball&#8217;s office is. They can&#8217;t get anything right and they lie to cover up all wrongdoing.</p>
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