Comments on: New poll: Clinton up in Ky., Obama up in Oregon

By: the consultant

the consultant — Tue, 20 May 2008 11:20:17 +0000

suck it up jacksmith..Obama is your nominee..the issue
is will you and others like you vote democratic..
vote for the republican or stay home…..

By: jacksmith

jacksmith — Tue, 20 May 2008 06:44:58 +0000

IT’S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!

MY FELLOW “BITTER”, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of “BITTER”!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith… Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don’t know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering…

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on…

OBAMA AIDE: “WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS” :o

p.s. Cynthia Ruccia – I’m with ya baby. All the way. “Clinton Supporters Count Too.”

By: jacksmith

jacksmith — Tue, 20 May 2008 06:24:14 +0000

HILLARY CLINTON IS THE GREATEST CAMPAIGNER IN AMERICAN HISTORY !!!

HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:

IT’S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!

It’s time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania, and loss in Indiana and West Virginia makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Sen. Obama has zero chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources without Hillary Clinton. Zero chance.

It is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say’s that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Sen. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Sen. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Sen. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton’s have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Sen. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Don’t be fooled by the pledged delegate, and math arguments. Neither candidate has the necessary pledged delegates. The entire delegates counts, and votes from Florida, and Michigan are not even being counted. Plus the democratic caucuses, and primarys have been heavily corrupted by fraud, and vote cheating. The only relevant question now is who can best WIN IN NOVEMBER and take back the Whitehouse for the American people. And the answer is HILLARY CLINTON. Everyone knows that now.

Sincerely

Jacksmith… Working Class :-)

p.s. Cynthia Ruccia – I’m with ya baby. All the way. “Clinton Supporters Count Too.”

By: frank

frank — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:54:57 +0000

Mark it down! The turning point (down) for Obama’s campaign occurred when he announced he would be in Iowa for some sort of “Clinched It” announcement, following the Oregon primary. What a dumb dumb thing to do or even say. Maybe even ugly! Hillary wins it by default, against Obama and McCain. President Hillary Clinton, does sound OK though.

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:21:02 +0000

no doubt..but that dos not negate the polling numbers
which indicate that obama has a problem with lower income
white working class voters…the electorate in general
has to be taken into consideration and if an Obama
candidacy can attract 90 plus per cent of african american
voters…what does McCain have to do to win…maybe
the southern states are in play formerly solidly repubican
but now there is a possibility that with enormous turnout
obama could win some of them..offsetting what he would
lose in ohio and pa

By: Wahoo

Wahoo — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:59:16 +0000

Consultant, you again put your birkenstock into your mouth. You should recall the old saying, “Even a fish wouldn’t get into trouble if it kept its mouth shut.”

This elitist stuff is getting to be a bit much. But meanwhile, 90-92 percent of blacks are voting for Obama.

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:15:40 +0000

try and digest this thought…
The answers also revealed which groups within society continued to harbor racial resentment. With the help of Harvard doctoral student Scott Winship, I looked at the levels of racial resentment in ANES data from 1988, 1992, and 2000 (the questions were omitted in 1996). What Winship and I found was that resentment was highest among males rather than females, the middle class rather than the wealthy or poor, those lacking a college degree, those who worked in skilled or semi-skilled blue collar jobs or as laborers, and residents of small towns in the Midwest and South. Does that profile sound familiar? It’s more or less a description of the white working-class voters who have spurned Obama and with whom John Kerry and Al Gore had trouble. The only groups that didn’t evince racial animosity toward blacks were voters with post-graduate degrees and, of course, African Americans. Hispanics were nearly as prejudiced as whites, and a group labeled “other” that includes Asian Americans was even more so-~~a partial explanation, perhaps, for why Obama fared so poorly among these groups in California. Clearly, racial resentment persisted~~-just in a more nuanced form.
The percentage of voters who backed Hillary Clinton (or, earlier, John Edwards) while saying that the “race of the candidates” was “important” in deciding their vote is a fair proxy for the percentage of primary voters who were disinclined to support Obama because he is black. That number topped 9 percent in New Jersey; in Ohio and Pennsylvania, two crucial swing states, it was more than 11 percent. And that’s among Democratic primary voters, who are, on average, more liberal than the Democrats who vote in general elections.
these are statements from the voters themselves.not
your relatives in kentucky I am sure

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:13:11 +0000

wrong..none of my best friends are rednecks…
but if people tell you in exit polls that they didn’t vote
for obama because they won’t vote for a black..do you
think they are lying….or is it that you think
racism in the south in non existant…I am citing
numbers from voters who voted….your simplistic
method of dismissal doesn’t pursuade me..nor does
it explain the polling data

By: Sara R

Sara R — Mon, 19 May 2008 20:40:19 +0000

What a disgusting calumny by “the consultant.” Yeah, let’s blame “racism,” “ingrained prejudices” and being “undereducated” for their being against Obama.

Hey Edelman, I know a lot of people from Kentucky (I have family and friends down there), and they’re as well educated and tolerant a group of Americans as you’d find anywhere. Oh, and those that I know can spell a heck of a lot better than you, and they know how to capitalize their sentences.

Undereducated? Prejudiced? Hah. You could be a poster-child for both based on your comments in these blogs. Let me guess, some of your best friends are “red necks,” right?

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 18:16:17 +0000

The theory does not apply to everyone..thats the point
but it does apply to some white voters in key states
and that is according to their own statements:
see below from a column in real politics
The percentage of voters who backed Hillary Clinton (or, earlier, John Edwards) while saying that the “race of the candidates” was “important” in deciding their vote is a fair proxy for the percentage of primary voters who were disinclined to support Obama because he is black. That number topped 9 percent in New Jersey; in Ohio and Pennsylvania, two crucial swing states, it was more than 11 percent. And that’s among Democratic primary voters, who are, on average, more liberal than the Democrats who vote in general elections.
It’s not hard to quantify Obama’s problem: If 9 to 12 percent of Democratic primary voters in swing states have been reluctant to support him because he is black, one can assume that, in the general election, 15 to 20 percent of Democrats or Democratic-leaning Independents may not support him for the same reason.

By: Kevin W. Davis

Kevin W. Davis — Mon, 19 May 2008 17:14:18 +0000

The Democrat dosen’t have to win all of those states but at least some combination. Its too early in the campaign to start talking about states but there are alot of potential swing states that the Democrats and Republicans have to worry about losing. Will Obama increase African-American turnout in traditionally solid Republican states? Will Bob Barr take Republican votes away from McCain? How many Hispanics vote? How will those Hispanics vote? Will Gay Marriage be an issue? These are among the many questions that will determine the outcome of this election that we don’t have answers to yet.

By: Curtis - Midwest

Curtis - Midwest — Mon, 19 May 2008 16:45:16 +0000

Ok, let me get this straight; if I don’t vote for Obama I’m a racist and if I don’t vote for Clinton then I’m a sexist. What next, if I don’t vote for McCain and instead vote independent am I unfairly against older people?! Give me a break. Quit using those old fallbacks for a weak candidate with too many questions and blanks on his resume. I would not vote for Obama but would vote for Condoleeza Rice or Colin Powell. Both are African American and one is a woman. What happened to your theory now?!! Get a leg to stand on and not a crutch!!!!!!!!!

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:48:09 +0000

you have identified the ‘we don’t know’ part of this
campaign..right now somd 28% of hillary supporters
say they will not vote for obama but rather mccain
or stay home…that number has to come down but the
question is what percentage of hillary voters will
actually vote for Mccain..in what blue states and will that
be enough to lose those traditionally democratic states
to McCAin..and here i am referencing Ohio, Pa, NJ, Mich
and Florida….all of which need to be won by the dems

By: Kevin W. Davis

Kevin W. Davis — Mon, 19 May 2008 15:32:27 +0000

The point of these polls that everyone is missing is will the Democrats who support McCain now, support McCain after the convention? If the choice is down to McCain and Obama will the Hillary supporters support a candidate that has different values than Hillary has? I think the white democratic voters who don’t support Obama is just a southern thing. Obama won white states like: Iowa, Alaska, Minnesota, Kansas, Idaho, Utah, Washington State, Nebraska, Connecticut, North Dakota, etc.

By: the consultant

the consultant — Mon, 19 May 2008 14:50:07 +0000

unfortunately you are seeing polling data reflecting
the reluctance of some white voters in states like
west virginia and kentucky who are reluctant to
support a black candidate simply because of his skin
color..it has nothing to do with issues, or leadership
it has everything to do with the fact that these undereducated voters have ingrained prejudices…
the issue for the general election will be whether
the spike in registration in many of the states
prompted by the excitement for both obama and clinton
will be enough to offset the residual bias that still
exists in the electorate