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	<title>Comments on: Cheney, or Darth Vader, at GOP dinner</title>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info.</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ian: Just going to nod off, and maybe watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Leatherface, 1990), but glad for your inquiry. (You and I may compare Russert interviews anon.)

I&#039;m guessing Public Affairs paid McClellan up front approximately $50k. He&#039;ll earn much more in royalties. Now, who knows: given the change in his original book proposal versus the finished book, other parties may have chipped in more money since last year, but it might have been negligible.

Some figures let their vanity get in the way of practicality. Not so Richard Clarke, who in 2004 got an up front advance of comfortable proportions (six figures) to write his scathing rebuke of the Bush Administration.

More tomorrow--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ian: Just going to nod off, and maybe watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre (Leatherface, 1990), but glad for your inquiry. (You and I may compare Russert interviews anon.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing Public Affairs paid McClellan up front approximately $50k. He&#8217;ll earn much more in royalties. Now, who knows: given the change in his original book proposal versus the finished book, other parties may have chipped in more money since last year, but it might have been negligible.</p>
<p>Some figures let their vanity get in the way of practicality. Not so Richard Clarke, who in 2004 got an up front advance of comfortable proportions (six figures) to write his scathing rebuke of the Bush Administration.</p>
<p>More tomorrow&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33418</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, so you think that Russert was as tough on McClellan as he was on Giuliani?  I would suggest that you go on the MTP website and watch Giuliani&#039;s interview again.  Russert tries to be fair but many times for whatever reason, he is easier on some than others.  

Just out of curiousity, what would you guess the range of his advance was?  I would respectfully disagree with you on McClellan&#039;s performance.  Give the fact that McClellan is not quick on his feet and Russert had tons of material at his disposal, McClellan did about as well as someone of his ability could do.  He is not exactly Joe Lockhart or Tony Snow or Ed Gillespie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, so you think that Russert was as tough on McClellan as he was on Giuliani?  I would suggest that you go on the MTP website and watch Giuliani&#8217;s interview again.  Russert tries to be fair but many times for whatever reason, he is easier on some than others.  </p>
<p>Just out of curiousity, what would you guess the range of his advance was?  I would respectfully disagree with you on McClellan&#8217;s performance.  Give the fact that McClellan is not quick on his feet and Russert had tons of material at his disposal, McClellan did about as well as someone of his ability could do.  He is not exactly Joe Lockhart or Tony Snow or Ed Gillespie.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Ian, Tim Russert was no tougher on McClellan than he has been on Al Gore or almost anybody I&#039;ve seen Russert interview.

McClellan didn&#039;t acquit himself as well as he could have.

His book advance couldn&#039;t have been that great (I&#039;m in the business, and am aware of what Public Affairs gives up front.)

He&#039;ll nevertheless make money off the book, given the angry liberals who want to trash the president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Ian, Tim Russert was no tougher on McClellan than he has been on Al Gore or almost anybody I&#8217;ve seen Russert interview.</p>
<p>McClellan didn&#8217;t acquit himself as well as he could have.</p>
<p>His book advance couldn&#8217;t have been that great (I&#8217;m in the business, and am aware of what Public Affairs gives up front.)</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll nevertheless make money off the book, given the angry liberals who want to trash the president.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Tim Russert&#039;s performance was terrible.  He has been much tougher on certain people like Rudy Giuliani than others.  He could have asked more questions regarding McClellan&#039;s manuscript proposal in which he praised Bush and he spoke about the liberal media.  Journalists such as Keith Olbermann, were originally criticized in his proposal and then he later went on this show.  He could have asked questions about McClellan&#039;s motivation for doing this.  About his firing and his mother&#039;s ill-fated campaign from governor of Texas.  Instead, he kind of asked questions from a liberal point of view and didn&#039;t really follow up with a more precise number with regards to the donation of his book proceeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Tim Russert&#8217;s performance was terrible.  He has been much tougher on certain people like Rudy Giuliani than others.  He could have asked more questions regarding McClellan&#8217;s manuscript proposal in which he praised Bush and he spoke about the liberal media.  Journalists such as Keith Olbermann, were originally criticized in his proposal and then he later went on this show.  He could have asked questions about McClellan&#8217;s motivation for doing this.  About his firing and his mother&#8217;s ill-fated campaign from governor of Texas.  Instead, he kind of asked questions from a liberal point of view and didn&#8217;t really follow up with a more precise number with regards to the donation of his book proceeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McClellan is engaged in revisionist history.  As MTP made clear, everything he criticized when he was press secretary, he has now embraced.  I am not sure if his motivation is his own reputation or paying back the Bush administration for forcing him out but I hope it is the former and not the latter.  McClellan was the most inarticulate press secretary in recent history.  His best performance was on MTP.  There were numerous articles at the time he was press secretary from both liberal and conservative journalists lampooning him.  For whatever reason, President Bush was loyal to him and refused to fire him sooner and he paid back the administration with a tell-all book. 

I happen to think some of his contentions are false.  But regardless of whether they are true or false, bosses should have an expectation that certain conversations should remain private.  McClellan, seems to have no concept of loyalty or disretion.  Given his poor performance as press secretary and his tell-all book, I have to think his political career is over.  Who would want an employee that they could not trust to keep certain discussions private?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McClellan is engaged in revisionist history.  As MTP made clear, everything he criticized when he was press secretary, he has now embraced.  I am not sure if his motivation is his own reputation or paying back the Bush administration for forcing him out but I hope it is the former and not the latter.  McClellan was the most inarticulate press secretary in recent history.  His best performance was on MTP.  There were numerous articles at the time he was press secretary from both liberal and conservative journalists lampooning him.  For whatever reason, President Bush was loyal to him and refused to fire him sooner and he paid back the administration with a tell-all book. </p>
<p>I happen to think some of his contentions are false.  But regardless of whether they are true or false, bosses should have an expectation that certain conversations should remain private.  McClellan, seems to have no concept of loyalty or disretion.  Given his poor performance as press secretary and his tell-all book, I have to think his political career is over.  Who would want an employee that they could not trust to keep certain discussions private?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Hays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Hays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is the theme of &quot;the right war, for the wrong reasons.&quot; I think this is how history may eventually judge our liberation of Iraq.

Just watching Scott McClellan on Meet The Press, I think his credibility would be greater had he been like J. F. TerHorst, President Ford&#039;s first press secretary, who resigned in protest after Ford pardoned Nixon. (Disclosure: I favored the pardon, as a young voter.)

But McClellan is a soft Texan who went along for the ride, and whose loyalty to a man who had been a great governor of Texas shrouded his judgment. (Read Bob Dole&#039;s statement concerning his book and character.)

As for Cheney, I had admired him since 1975, when he was Ford&#039;s chief of staff. But his conflicts have apparently caught up with him. Sad.

I am starting to feel like one of those Democrats in 1968 who began to feel that a war started by, and exacerbated by, a president of their own party, is about to cause repudiation of that party by the great middle in our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the theme of &#8220;the right war, for the wrong reasons.&#8221; I think this is how history may eventually judge our liberation of Iraq.</p>
<p>Just watching Scott McClellan on Meet The Press, I think his credibility would be greater had he been like J. F. TerHorst, President Ford&#8217;s first press secretary, who resigned in protest after Ford pardoned Nixon. (Disclosure: I favored the pardon, as a young voter.)</p>
<p>But McClellan is a soft Texan who went along for the ride, and whose loyalty to a man who had been a great governor of Texas shrouded his judgment. (Read Bob Dole&#8217;s statement concerning his book and character.)</p>
<p>As for Cheney, I had admired him since 1975, when he was Ford&#8217;s chief of staff. But his conflicts have apparently caught up with him. Sad.</p>
<p>I am starting to feel like one of those Democrats in 1968 who began to feel that a war started by, and exacerbated by, a president of their own party, is about to cause repudiation of that party by the great middle in our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Consultant should read a history book.  It seems his knowledge of McCarthyism is as limited as his knowlege neoconservatives.  Joe McCarthy falsely accused many of being communists.  You are not falsely being accused of anything.  The blacklisting from the motion picture industry for one&#039;s politics, which has little to do with moviemaking is far different from someone not being hired as a political consultant because of their extreme foreign policy viewpoints.  

It is naive to think that one&#039;s political consultant has nothing to do with the political candidate&#039;s policies and/or that it will not become an issue.  You were the same person arguing that Reverand Wright&#039;s sermons should somehow hurt Barack Obama when Reverand Wright was giving spiritual and not political advice.  So it is a little disingenuous to then argue that a pastor&#039;s opinions matter but not a spiritual advisor.  

If you are so confident of your opinions please post under your real name and publish in local papers your opinions on foreign policy matters.  I am not even sure that the journal news would publish your opinions on Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Consultant should read a history book.  It seems his knowledge of McCarthyism is as limited as his knowlege neoconservatives.  Joe McCarthy falsely accused many of being communists.  You are not falsely being accused of anything.  The blacklisting from the motion picture industry for one&#8217;s politics, which has little to do with moviemaking is far different from someone not being hired as a political consultant because of their extreme foreign policy viewpoints.  </p>
<p>It is naive to think that one&#8217;s political consultant has nothing to do with the political candidate&#8217;s policies and/or that it will not become an issue.  You were the same person arguing that Reverand Wright&#8217;s sermons should somehow hurt Barack Obama when Reverand Wright was giving spiritual and not political advice.  So it is a little disingenuous to then argue that a pastor&#8217;s opinions matter but not a spiritual advisor.  </p>
<p>If you are so confident of your opinions please post under your real name and publish in local papers your opinions on foreign policy matters.  I am not even sure that the journal news would publish your opinions on Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Revere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Revere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the two typos in my earlier comment. I was interrupted midway.  Consultant, why do you ignore the fact, not theory, that the entire environmental, &quot;green&quot; and conservation movements (really one and the same) are the havens of the old socialists and their present-day acolytes?  Look at what is going on and what they are attempting to do.  

Stopping the US from drilling for its own oil is just of dozens of examples. If it was any more obvious, it would be written across the sky in letters a mile high.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the two typos in my earlier comment. I was interrupted midway.  Consultant, why do you ignore the fact, not theory, that the entire environmental, &#8220;green&#8221; and conservation movements (really one and the same) are the havens of the old socialists and their present-day acolytes?  Look at what is going on and what they are attempting to do.  </p>
<p>Stopping the US from drilling for its own oil is just of dozens of examples. If it was any more obvious, it would be written across the sky in letters a mile high.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 13:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the old socialists realized socialism didn&#039;t work
so they found a new calling..neoconservatism...that
doesn&#039;t work either....you are welcome to read
a full and viable explanation if you like of the transition
between the two..and for rick..my own personal foreign policy beliefs are only germain if I am the candidate
kind of like my religion...it is not germain nor is it 
a litmus test for employment which is where you go
far astry..because once someones personal foreign policy
beliefs are part of whether he can work.why not ask
about his spiritual beliefs as well..you sound a bit
like  a very liberal joe mccarthy to me...spread the 
word that he&#039;s a communist and black list him from 
motion pictures..that would be the effect of what you 
are suggesting</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the old socialists realized socialism didn&#8217;t work<br />
so they found a new calling..neoconservatism&#8230;that<br />
doesn&#8217;t work either&#8230;.you are welcome to read<br />
a full and viable explanation if you like of the transition<br />
between the two..and for rick..my own personal foreign policy beliefs are only germain if I am the candidate<br />
kind of like my religion&#8230;it is not germain nor is it <br />
a litmus test for employment which is where you go<br />
far astry..because once someones personal foreign policy<br />
beliefs are part of whether he can work.why not ask<br />
about his spiritual beliefs as well..you sound a bit<br />
like  a very liberal joe mccarthy to me&#8230;spread the <br />
word that he&#8217;s a communist and black list him from <br />
motion pictures..that would be the effect of what you <br />
are suggesting</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Revere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Revere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterdya, Rick mentionend Lyndon LaRouche.  It does sound like the Consultant shares at least some of that same mind-set.  The Consultant lost me on this one when said yesterday&#039;s socialists evolved into today&#039;s Neo-Cons.  That is not true. As I posted earlier, all the old socialists and their current followers have moved into the environmental, &quot;green&quot; and conservation causes.  That is easily confirmed.

Finally, Pat Buchanan is about 75 percent nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterdya, Rick mentionend Lyndon LaRouche.  It does sound like the Consultant shares at least some of that same mind-set.  The Consultant lost me on this one when said yesterday&#8217;s socialists evolved into today&#8217;s Neo-Cons.  That is not true. As I posted earlier, all the old socialists and their current followers have moved into the environmental, &#8220;green&#8221; and conservation causes.  That is easily confirmed.</p>
<p>Finally, Pat Buchanan is about 75 percent nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 02:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is very interesting spin.  It is nice that you have at least somewhat toned down your rhetoric.  You claim it has nothing to do with Jews and than you state specifically that you are discussing Jewish Americans relationship with Israel but that is not politically correct do so.  I have no point tried to threaten you.  I merely explained that your actions have consequences.  You seem to think that you can mischaracterize others positions and insult them without any damage to your reputation.  I have not accused you of being a bad republican so I am not sure where that is coming from.  It is obvious that your opinions are out of the mainstream and that the more you make people aware of your opinion, the less likely they are to hire you.  Any campaign that hires you, is going to have answer questions about your beliefs and thus, it becomes less about the candidate and more about you.  Similar to John McCain having lobbyists or Barack Obama have to answer for his pastorâ€™s beliefs. I don&#039;t think any person running in Westchester, wants to have someone advising them whom blame Jewish neocons for the war in Iraq and who quotes conspiracy theorists.  That is not a threat.  That is stating something that you are obviously oblivious to.  If you believe so strongly in your beliefs, I would ask that you make all candidates that you consult for of your personal beliefs so they can make an informed decision.  It would be interesting to know how many people involved in Westchester politics are aware of your foreign policy positions.  You are perfectly free to express your opinion providing it doesnâ€™t violate this blogâ€™s policy but there are repercussions for making disgusting remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is very interesting spin.  It is nice that you have at least somewhat toned down your rhetoric.  You claim it has nothing to do with Jews and than you state specifically that you are discussing Jewish Americans relationship with Israel but that is not politically correct do so.  I have no point tried to threaten you.  I merely explained that your actions have consequences.  You seem to think that you can mischaracterize others positions and insult them without any damage to your reputation.  I have not accused you of being a bad republican so I am not sure where that is coming from.  It is obvious that your opinions are out of the mainstream and that the more you make people aware of your opinion, the less likely they are to hire you.  Any campaign that hires you, is going to have answer questions about your beliefs and thus, it becomes less about the candidate and more about you.  Similar to John McCain having lobbyists or Barack Obama have to answer for his pastorâ€™s beliefs. I don&#8217;t think any person running in Westchester, wants to have someone advising them whom blame Jewish neocons for the war in Iraq and who quotes conspiracy theorists.  That is not a threat.  That is stating something that you are obviously oblivious to.  If you believe so strongly in your beliefs, I would ask that you make all candidates that you consult for of your personal beliefs so they can make an informed decision.  It would be interesting to know how many people involved in Westchester politics are aware of your foreign policy positions.  You are perfectly free to express your opinion providing it doesnâ€™t violate this blogâ€™s policy but there are repercussions for making disgusting remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rick..the arab Israeli conflict is not the issue..here
the issue is the conduct of American Foreign Policy...which
you can either discuss or not..so far you have accused me
of ethnic slurs, not being a good republican, blogging
during work hours (today is saturday) and attempting
to suggest my consulting career could be over...
all of that is called intimidation..you my friend have
communicated a threat over the internet..I, on the
other hand am attempting to engage in a conversation
about protecting the ability of Israel to remain a
Jewish state, and to have safe and secure borders
which has not been helped by the Bush/Cheney neocon
approach...you have accussed my criticism of being
fringe...which means you have some dog in the hunt
I have no idea which..but this is a topic that is not
going away..as we learn more and more about how we
got snookered into a war in which we have lost
4000 souls and over 100,000 have catastropic injuries
the issue on the table will be how did we make such
an error.and remember while he was running Bush said
he was not into nation building...I do not view
this as a partisan ie Republican vs Democratic issue
This has to do with how America views its roll in the
world and how best to protect Israel...The neocons
many of whom are jewish (so what) except that because
of their desire to preserve Israel took a particular 
tack with which I disagree...and in fact which I believe
has been proven to have weakened our ability to protect
Israel...Now you don&#039;t have to agree with me...But
your attempt to stiffle discussion is something that
wouldn&#039;t take place in a talmud study course...you have
displayed intollerance because I have dared challenge what
you think is mainstream belief..It is not...it is radical
conservative/neocon belief that has been sold to some
Americans...I happen to reject it....If we can discuss
african americans voting for Barry...and we can discuss
poor whites voting for Hillary and refusing to vote
for Barrack, why can&#039;t we discuss the interests of jewish
americans in Israel...I&#039;ll tell you why..because you have
a monolithic view of the situation...and think it is
a reflection on &quot;the jews&quot; when it has nothing to do
with jewish people .but has everything to do with 
ideology...have a good weekend....and between you and
me..as between my &quot;business&quot; interests and my personal
beliefs...I&#039;ll choose to defend the latter..because
with intimidators like you....our democracy needs a breath
of fresh air...if you can&#039;t discuss an issue without
name calling and threats you are missing out on some
very important policy questions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rick..the arab Israeli conflict is not the issue..here<br />
the issue is the conduct of American Foreign Policy&#8230;which<br />
you can either discuss or not..so far you have accused me<br />
of ethnic slurs, not being a good republican, blogging<br />
during work hours (today is saturday) and attempting<br />
to suggest my consulting career could be over&#8230;<br />
all of that is called intimidation..you my friend have<br />
communicated a threat over the internet..I, on the<br />
other hand am attempting to engage in a conversation<br />
about protecting the ability of Israel to remain a<br />
Jewish state, and to have safe and secure borders<br />
which has not been helped by the Bush/Cheney neocon<br />
approach&#8230;you have accussed my criticism of being<br />
fringe&#8230;which means you have some dog in the hunt<br />
I have no idea which..but this is a topic that is not<br />
going away..as we learn more and more about how we<br />
got snookered into a war in which we have lost<br />
4000 souls and over 100,000 have catastropic injuries<br />
the issue on the table will be how did we make such<br />
an error.and remember while he was running Bush said<br />
he was not into nation building&#8230;I do not view<br />
this as a partisan ie Republican vs Democratic issue<br />
This has to do with how America views its roll in the<br />
world and how best to protect Israel&#8230;The neocons<br />
many of whom are jewish (so what) except that because<br />
of their desire to preserve Israel took a particular <br />
tack with which I disagree&#8230;and in fact which I believe<br />
has been proven to have weakened our ability to protect<br />
Israel&#8230;Now you don&#8217;t have to agree with me&#8230;But<br />
your attempt to stiffle discussion is something that<br />
wouldn&#8217;t take place in a talmud study course&#8230;you have<br />
displayed intollerance because I have dared challenge what<br />
you think is mainstream belief..It is not&#8230;it is radical<br />
conservative/neocon belief that has been sold to some<br />
Americans&#8230;I happen to reject it&#8230;.If we can discuss<br />
african americans voting for Barry&#8230;and we can discuss<br />
poor whites voting for Hillary and refusing to vote<br />
for Barrack, why can&#8217;t we discuss the interests of jewish<br />
americans in Israel&#8230;I&#8217;ll tell you why..because you have<br />
a monolithic view of the situation&#8230;and think it is<br />
a reflection on &#8220;the jews&#8221; when it has nothing to do<br />
with jewish people .but has everything to do with <br />
ideology&#8230;have a good weekend&#8230;.and between you and<br />
me..as between my &#8220;business&#8221; interests and my personal<br />
beliefs&#8230;I&#8217;ll choose to defend the latter..because<br />
with intimidators like you&#8230;.our democracy needs a breath<br />
of fresh air&#8230;if you can&#8217;t discuss an issue without<br />
name calling and threats you are missing out on some<br />
very important policy questions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33382</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not express any views on the Arab-Israeli conflict other than to point out you have a fringe opinion.  I am not sure how you can point out that I have an &quot;AIPAC view&quot; other than that anyone who disagrees with you, which is the vast majority of Americans, you classify as an extremist.  Pat Buchanan, is mainly put on MSNBC because he is an anti-Bush Republican.  Buchanan&#039;s career without a doubt has been hurt by his remarks and his quixotic runs for President.  As for AIPAC&#039;s view, AIPAC has members with different views and they have supported every peace agreement that Israel has signed, so I am not sure what you are talking about.  Your argument boils down to citing a left-wing Israeli as evidence that your view is in the mainstream and pro-Israeli.  That is equivalent to someone in another country who is an Anti-American claiming that they are expressing pro-American viewpoints because they agree with Noam Chomsky.  It is a poor argument. 

As I mentioned, you should be very careful about not writing defamatory material and ethnic slurs on this blog.  I am not sure if other Westchester Republican party leaders are quite aware of your viewpoints and I think that when they do become informed, that your &quot;consulting&quot; career will come to an abrupt end unless you drastically change course.  Although I am independent and not a Republican, I now realize why Westchester County is basically a one-party county.  Voters don&#039;t appreciate intolerance from party big-wigs.  You are incorrect regarding the law about what is actionable.  There is no speech and debate clause in the U.S. Constitution that is applicable to unelected bloggers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not express any views on the Arab-Israeli conflict other than to point out you have a fringe opinion.  I am not sure how you can point out that I have an &#8220;AIPAC view&#8221; other than that anyone who disagrees with you, which is the vast majority of Americans, you classify as an extremist.  Pat Buchanan, is mainly put on MSNBC because he is an anti-Bush Republican.  Buchanan&#8217;s career without a doubt has been hurt by his remarks and his quixotic runs for President.  As for AIPAC&#8217;s view, AIPAC has members with different views and they have supported every peace agreement that Israel has signed, so I am not sure what you are talking about.  Your argument boils down to citing a left-wing Israeli as evidence that your view is in the mainstream and pro-Israeli.  That is equivalent to someone in another country who is an Anti-American claiming that they are expressing pro-American viewpoints because they agree with Noam Chomsky.  It is a poor argument. </p>
<p>As I mentioned, you should be very careful about not writing defamatory material and ethnic slurs on this blog.  I am not sure if other Westchester Republican party leaders are quite aware of your viewpoints and I think that when they do become informed, that your &#8220;consulting&#8221; career will come to an abrupt end unless you drastically change course.  Although I am independent and not a Republican, I now realize why Westchester County is basically a one-party county.  Voters don&#8217;t appreciate intolerance from party big-wigs.  You are incorrect regarding the law about what is actionable.  There is no speech and debate clause in the U.S. Constitution that is applicable to unelected bloggers.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rick...all that was posted has been said before...
in a political context nothing is actionable...
it sounds like you just want to intimidate me..maybe
you should call msnbc who pays buchanan for his opinions
and make the same arguments...their is nothing fringe
about the arguments that traditioanl american foreign policy has been totally undermined by the bush administration...it is hardly a far left contention
in fact there are plenty of centrist republicans
who are totally disgusted with what the Iraqi invasion
has done to compromise US standing in that part of the
world...I suggest you read  a little more about the 
topic...Chuck Hagel for example would agree with me
and he is hardly a radical....those in the neocon inner
circle and under their influence include our vice
president...I don&#039;t understand quite frankly what you
find inflammatory about any of this...The substance
of this discussion appears in H&#039;Aaretz regularly..
in fact below is a piece by gershom gorenberg appearing
in prospect...
By asking for a deus ex machina to intervene in Israeli politics, Yehoshua was demonstrating the despair of Israel&#039;s peace camp. The left&#039;s once-forbidden positionsâ€”a two-state solution, evacuating settlementsâ€”are now boringly respectable. Olmert, a recovering rightist, supports them. But nothing happens. Why can&#039;t a winged figure descend to get the plot moving? America has filled that role for Israel before, vetoing UN security council condemnations, providing aid. Someone simply needs to tell the gods what Israel actually needs. 

I write this not to mock Yehoshua but to agree with him. As a progressive Israeli, I long to see a shift in US policy. With Yehoshua, I believe that the right actions by the US could awaken public support here in Israel for the steps needed to reach peace.

I also believe there&#039;s no chance that President Bush will take Yehoshua&#039;s advice. If a member of the US congress made a similar proposal, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) would almost certainly encourage donations to his opponent in November&#039;s election. Does this mean that &quot;the Israel lobby&quot; controls the levers of US middle east policy, as John J Mearsheimer and Stephen M Walt argued in their famous book of that name last year? Not exactly. (Mearsheimer and Walt are both distinguished international affairs academics from, respectively, Chicago and Harvard universities. Their book, which caused a storm of criticism and accusations of anti-semitism, argued that US foreign policy is distorted by unconditional support for Israel, secured by a powerful &quot;Israel lobby.&quot;) But they overstated their case in several ways. They credited a poorly defined &quot;lobby&quot; with exaggerated power, while failing to do the investigative research which could have painted a more accurate picture of the extent and limits of that power. 

your view is limited to the AIPAC view...it is outdated
and does not serve the interests of the state of Israel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rick&#8230;all that was posted has been said before&#8230;<br />
in a political context nothing is actionable&#8230;<br />
it sounds like you just want to intimidate me..maybe<br />
you should call msnbc who pays buchanan for his opinions<br />
and make the same arguments&#8230;their is nothing fringe<br />
about the arguments that traditioanl american foreign policy has been totally undermined by the bush administration&#8230;it is hardly a far left contention<br />
in fact there are plenty of centrist republicans<br />
who are totally disgusted with what the Iraqi invasion<br />
has done to compromise US standing in that part of the<br />
world&#8230;I suggest you read  a little more about the <br />
topic&#8230;Chuck Hagel for example would agree with me<br />
and he is hardly a radical&#8230;.those in the neocon inner<br />
circle and under their influence include our vice<br />
president&#8230;I don&#8217;t understand quite frankly what you<br />
find inflammatory about any of this&#8230;The substance<br />
of this discussion appears in H&#8217;Aaretz regularly..<br />
in fact below is a piece by gershom gorenberg appearing<br />
in prospect&#8230;<br />
By asking for a deus ex machina to intervene in Israeli politics, Yehoshua was demonstrating the despair of Israel&#8217;s peace camp. The left&#8217;s once-forbidden positionsâ€”a two-state solution, evacuating settlementsâ€”are now boringly respectable. Olmert, a recovering rightist, supports them. But nothing happens. Why can&#8217;t a winged figure descend to get the plot moving? America has filled that role for Israel before, vetoing UN security council condemnations, providing aid. Someone simply needs to tell the gods what Israel actually needs. </p>
<p>I write this not to mock Yehoshua but to agree with him. As a progressive Israeli, I long to see a shift in US policy. With Yehoshua, I believe that the right actions by the US could awaken public support here in Israel for the steps needed to reach peace.</p>
<p>I also believe there&#8217;s no chance that President Bush will take Yehoshua&#8217;s advice. If a member of the US congress made a similar proposal, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) would almost certainly encourage donations to his opponent in November&#8217;s election. Does this mean that &#8220;the Israel lobby&#8221; controls the levers of US middle east policy, as John J Mearsheimer and Stephen M Walt argued in their famous book of that name last year? Not exactly. (Mearsheimer and Walt are both distinguished international affairs academics from, respectively, Chicago and Harvard universities. Their book, which caused a storm of criticism and accusations of anti-semitism, argued that US foreign policy is distorted by unconditional support for Israel, secured by a powerful &#8220;Israel lobby.&#8221;) But they overstated their case in several ways. They credited a poorly defined &#8220;lobby&#8221; with exaggerated power, while failing to do the investigative research which could have painted a more accurate picture of the extent and limits of that power. </p>
<p>your view is limited to the AIPAC view&#8230;it is outdated<br />
and does not serve the interests of the state of Israel</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33371</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Pat Buchanan verbatim and then trying to defend an idea that is at the fringe of American political thought on the far left and far right does not make it accurate.  Writing defamatory material is actionable.  Given that you work at a law firm and are a public figure, you should be more careful about what you write.  Your comments are now preserved on the Internet and are a matter of public record.  I am not sure your colleagues would appreciate you devoting much of your workday towards blogging inflamatory material.  Given how badly the Westchester Republican does, I doubt they would want to be associated with your opinions either.  Just as John McCain had to distance himself from John Hagee, they would be wise to distance themselves from many of your remarks and you personally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Pat Buchanan verbatim and then trying to defend an idea that is at the fringe of American political thought on the far left and far right does not make it accurate.  Writing defamatory material is actionable.  Given that you work at a law firm and are a public figure, you should be more careful about what you write.  Your comments are now preserved on the Internet and are a matter of public record.  I am not sure your colleagues would appreciate you devoting much of your workday towards blogging inflamatory material.  Given how badly the Westchester Republican does, I doubt they would want to be associated with your opinions either.  Just as John McCain had to distance himself from John Hagee, they would be wise to distance themselves from many of your remarks and you personally.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33365</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey rick...nobody is blaming &quot;the jews&quot; you need to separate
those neocons, some of whom are jewish and some not, who have a view of the world that puts the security of Israel
first and leads them to a view of the middle east which in
fact puts Israel in jeopardy...do you think Israel is safer
now than before the Iraqi invasion. Iraq was Iran&#039;s worst
enemy...Iran had to guard against Iraqi intentions under
Hussein...now Iran is empowered..because of the invasion
our armed forces are stretched to the limit...Israel is
privately negotiating with Syria because Syria is afraid
of Iran as well...something the US did not want Israel
to do...IT is the neoconservatives who got us into the
mess we are in...You do not have to be jewish to push
the idea of invading the middle east to protect Israel
in fact the Reverend Hagee and many other evangelicals
endorse the same policy...but for very different reasons
having to do with the return of the messiah...and stop
accusing me of anti semitism...your way out of order...
the subject of american foreign policy is not based on
who is a member of what religion..but the issue of whether
the necons have made Israel their number one concern and
have formulated a foreign policy that is dangerous and
departs from traditional american foreign policy from
both the right and the left is a fair subject for debate
these are not talking points...and your suggestion that
their is some sort of liability in discussing what has
been in the mainstream news is lucircous...be a little
less defensive and a little more objective...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey rick&#8230;nobody is blaming &#8220;the jews&#8221; you need to separate<br />
those neocons, some of whom are jewish and some not, who have a view of the world that puts the security of Israel<br />
first and leads them to a view of the middle east which in<br />
fact puts Israel in jeopardy&#8230;do you think Israel is safer<br />
now than before the Iraqi invasion. Iraq was Iran&#8217;s worst<br />
enemy&#8230;Iran had to guard against Iraqi intentions under<br />
Hussein&#8230;now Iran is empowered..because of the invasion<br />
our armed forces are stretched to the limit&#8230;Israel is<br />
privately negotiating with Syria because Syria is afraid<br />
of Iran as well&#8230;something the US did not want Israel<br />
to do&#8230;IT is the neoconservatives who got us into the<br />
mess we are in&#8230;You do not have to be jewish to push<br />
the idea of invading the middle east to protect Israel<br />
in fact the Reverend Hagee and many other evangelicals<br />
endorse the same policy&#8230;but for very different reasons<br />
having to do with the return of the messiah&#8230;and stop<br />
accusing me of anti semitism&#8230;your way out of order&#8230;<br />
the subject of american foreign policy is not based on<br />
who is a member of what religion..but the issue of whether<br />
the necons have made Israel their number one concern and<br />
have formulated a foreign policy that is dangerous and<br />
departs from traditional american foreign policy from<br />
both the right and the left is a fair subject for debate<br />
these are not talking points&#8230;and your suggestion that<br />
their is some sort of liability in discussing what has<br />
been in the mainstream news is lucircous&#8230;be a little<br />
less defensive and a little more objective&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33357</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your obsession with the Middle East is not matched by your knowledge of the facts.  This blog post had nothing to do with Israel or Iraq; it just shows that you are completely obsessed with the issue.  You have made numerous libelous remarks on this blog without ANY REGARD FOR THE FACTS.  You deliberately mischaracterize public figure&#039;s views with impunity.  That is libel.  The problem is not that you have a different opinion, the problem is you have a viewpoint i.e. the Jews led us to war with Iraq that is both false and offensive.  Jews in this country have been blamed for every war throughout American history.  This in turn has led to anti-Semitism.   Substituting the word â€œneo-conservativeâ€ for â€œJewâ€ does not clean up your comments.  

You are a conspiracy theorist without any facts at your disposal.  I just demonstrated that your characterization of Clarke, Wolfowitz, and Kagan was completely false.  Instead, of any kind of response you went off on a tangent about something else.   Instead of responding to arguments, you recite talking points, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 

The Westchester Republican party needs to disassociate itself from you and your Lyndon LaRouche point of view and this blog needs to monitor your remarks.  Failure to do so puts this blog in danger of being sued</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your obsession with the Middle East is not matched by your knowledge of the facts.  This blog post had nothing to do with Israel or Iraq; it just shows that you are completely obsessed with the issue.  You have made numerous libelous remarks on this blog without ANY REGARD FOR THE FACTS.  You deliberately mischaracterize public figure&#8217;s views with impunity.  That is libel.  The problem is not that you have a different opinion, the problem is you have a viewpoint i.e. the Jews led us to war with Iraq that is both false and offensive.  Jews in this country have been blamed for every war throughout American history.  This in turn has led to anti-Semitism.   Substituting the word â€œneo-conservativeâ€ for â€œJewâ€ does not clean up your comments.  </p>
<p>You are a conspiracy theorist without any facts at your disposal.  I just demonstrated that your characterization of Clarke, Wolfowitz, and Kagan was completely false.  Instead, of any kind of response you went off on a tangent about something else.   Instead of responding to arguments, you recite talking points, OVER AND OVER AGAIN. </p>
<p>The Westchester Republican party needs to disassociate itself from you and your Lyndon LaRouche point of view and this blog needs to monitor your remarks.  Failure to do so puts this blog in danger of being sued</p>
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		<title>By: 7Curses</title>
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		<dc:creator>7Curses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it just shows how completely out of touch republicans are inviting the VP  unless they are going to be pushing &quot;cheney health care&quot; for all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it just shows how completely out of touch republicans are inviting the VP  unless they are going to be pushing &#8220;cheney health care&#8221; for all</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/30/cheney-or-darth-vader-at-gop-dinner/comment-page-1/#comment-33352</link>
		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it when you criticize the US policy in the middle
east many people decide you are a bigot...so you cannot
have a different opinion on what best preserves the state
of Israel as a Jewish entity....unless you tow the neocon
line..which by the way is not the line of 60% of the
Israeli population which you will find out when Olmert
is booted out and the new female prime minister takes
over....she realizes that the settlements have to go..
and they will...stop justifying lousy policy based
on your view of the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it when you criticize the US policy in the middle<br />
east many people decide you are a bigot&#8230;so you cannot<br />
have a different opinion on what best preserves the state<br />
of Israel as a Jewish entity&#8230;.unless you tow the neocon<br />
line..which by the way is not the line of 60% of the<br />
Israeli population which you will find out when Olmert<br />
is booted out and the new female prime minister takes<br />
over&#8230;.she realizes that the settlements have to go..<br />
and they will&#8230;stop justifying lousy policy based<br />
on your view of the world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop with the racism crap..this is a foreign policy discussion ...those who are in the neocon camp
use antisemitism as a shield to protect them from
legitimate criticism..but the facts are the facts..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop with the racism crap..this is a foreign policy discussion &#8230;those who are in the neocon camp<br />
use antisemitism as a shield to protect them from<br />
legitimate criticism..but the facts are the facts..</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the term neoconservative is in common usage, a brief description of the group might be helpful. Many of the first-generation neocons originally were liberal Democrats, or even socialists and Marxists, often Trotskyites. They drifted to the right in the 1960s and 1970s as the Democratic Party moved to the antiwar McGovernite left. And concern for Israel loomed large in that rightward drift. As political scientist Benjamin Ginsberg puts it:


One major factor that drew them inexorably to the right was their attachment to Israel and their growing frustration during the 1960s with a Democratic party that was becoming increasingly opposed to American military preparedness and increasingly enamored of Third World causes [e.g., Palestinian rights]. In the Reaganite right&#039;s hard-line anti-communism, commitment to American military strength, and willingness to intervene politically and militarily in the affairs of other nations to promote democratic values (and American interests), neocons found a political movement that would guarantee Israel&#039;s security. [2]
For some time prior to September 11, 2001, neoconservatives had publicly advocated an American war on Iraq. The 9/11 atrocities provided the pretext. The idea that neocons are the motivating force behind the U.S. movement for war has been broached by a number of commentators. For instance, Joshua Micah Marshall authored an article in The Washington Monthly titled: &quot;Bomb Saddam?: How the obsession of a few neocon hawks became the central goal of U.S. foreign policy.&quot; And in the leftist e-journal CounterPunch, Kathleen and Bill Christison wrote:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the term neoconservative is in common usage, a brief description of the group might be helpful. Many of the first-generation neocons originally were liberal Democrats, or even socialists and Marxists, often Trotskyites. They drifted to the right in the 1960s and 1970s as the Democratic Party moved to the antiwar McGovernite left. And concern for Israel loomed large in that rightward drift. As political scientist Benjamin Ginsberg puts it:</p>
<p>One major factor that drew them inexorably to the right was their attachment to Israel and their growing frustration during the 1960s with a Democratic party that was becoming increasingly opposed to American military preparedness and increasingly enamored of Third World causes [e.g., Palestinian rights]. In the Reaganite right&#8217;s hard-line anti-communism, commitment to American military strength, and willingness to intervene politically and militarily in the affairs of other nations to promote democratic values (and American interests), neocons found a political movement that would guarantee Israel&#8217;s security. [2]<br />
For some time prior to September 11, 2001, neoconservatives had publicly advocated an American war on Iraq. The 9/11 atrocities provided the pretext. The idea that neocons are the motivating force behind the U.S. movement for war has been broached by a number of commentators. For instance, Joshua Micah Marshall authored an article in The Washington Monthly titled: &#8220;Bomb Saddam?: How the obsession of a few neocon hawks became the central goal of U.S. foreign policy.&#8221; And in the leftist e-journal CounterPunch, Kathleen and Bill Christison wrote:</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
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		<description>I hate to break it to this self-professed Consultant but Richard Clarke was against the war in Iraq and is not a neoconservative.    Kagan far from being a socialist in the 1950&#039;s was an infant.  He got his start with George Schultz.  A realist and not a neoconservative.  Wolfowitz, has been a harsh critic of Israeli settlements.  A far cry from doing the bidding of Israel.  

Not only is the Consultant grossly uninformed but highly offensive and defamatory.  See a shrink, man.  I really just hope his views are not indicative of those whom he has allegedly consulted for such as the Spano brothers, DiFiore, or Pirro.  

Not only should the moderators of this blog consider removing the self-professed &quot;Consultant&#039;s&quot; comments but the Westchester GOP should sever all his ties with him.  An openly racist person would not appear on television on behalf of the Westchester Republicans and neither should a person who harbors ill will to a certain segment of the American population based on ethnicity.  Just because one has a Jewish surname, although no relationship with the jewish religion or culture, does not give him free reign to be a bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to break it to this self-professed Consultant but Richard Clarke was against the war in Iraq and is not a neoconservative.    Kagan far from being a socialist in the 1950&#8217;s was an infant.  He got his start with George Schultz.  A realist and not a neoconservative.  Wolfowitz, has been a harsh critic of Israeli settlements.  A far cry from doing the bidding of Israel.  </p>
<p>Not only is the Consultant grossly uninformed but highly offensive and defamatory.  See a shrink, man.  I really just hope his views are not indicative of those whom he has allegedly consulted for such as the Spano brothers, DiFiore, or Pirro.  </p>
<p>Not only should the moderators of this blog consider removing the self-professed &#8220;Consultant&#8217;s&#8221; comments but the Westchester GOP should sever all his ties with him.  An openly racist person would not appear on television on behalf of the Westchester Republicans and neither should a person who harbors ill will to a certain segment of the American population based on ethnicity.  Just because one has a Jewish surname, although no relationship with the jewish religion or culture, does not give him free reign to be a bigot.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 14:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read the article and then we can talk....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read the article and then we can talk&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 14:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From So I Married an Axe Murderer 

Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it&#039;s a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there&#039;s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows. 
Tony Giardino: So who&#039;s in this Pentavirate? 
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, *and* Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee *beady* eyes, and that smug look on his face. &quot;Oh, you&#039;re gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!&quot; 
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate &quot;The Colonel&quot;? 
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass! 

This how ridiculous &quot;The Consultant&quot; sounds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From So I Married an Axe Murderer </p>
<p>Stuart Mackenzie: Well, it&#8217;s a well known fact, Sonny Jim, that there&#8217;s a secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as The Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows. <br />
Tony Giardino: So who&#8217;s in this Pentavirate? <br />
Stuart Mackenzie: The Queen, The Vatican, The Gettys, The Rothschilds, <strong>and</strong> Colonel Sanders before he went tits up. Oh, I hated the Colonel with is wee <strong>beady</strong> eyes, and that smug look on his face. &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;re gonna buy my chicken! Ohhhhh!&#8221; <br />
Charlie Mackenzie: Dad, how can you hate &#8220;The Colonel&#8221;? <br />
Stuart Mackenzie: Because he puts an addictive chemical in his chicken that makes ya crave it fortnightly, smartass! </p>
<p>This how ridiculous &#8220;The Consultant&#8221; sounds</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Revere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Revere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, boy.  Mister Consultant has gone over the edge.

Read about the mysterious and very powerful Maurice Strong, his goals and his close ties to Al Gore.  See what Strong has been up to for a long time.  Including Crestone, Colo.  Read about who and what are running the &quot;environmental&quot; movements.  Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, the Earth Liberation Front, and many others. It&#039;s the old left-wing socialist crowd and/or their followers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, boy.  Mister Consultant has gone over the edge.</p>
<p>Read about the mysterious and very powerful Maurice Strong, his goals and his close ties to Al Gore.  See what Strong has been up to for a long time.  Including Crestone, Colo.  Read about who and what are running the &#8220;environmental&#8221; movements.  Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, the Earth Liberation Front, and many others. It&#8217;s the old left-wing socialist crowd and/or their followers.</p>
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		<title>By: the consultant</title>
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		<dc:creator>the consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 12:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read about the neocons ...it is an eyeopener..where the 
movement started..why it started and who is in it..
it is hard to believe that cheney rumsfeld and condi
could buy into their half baked theories..which were
touted by clarke, wolfowitz, kagen etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read about the neocons &#8230;it is an eyeopener..where the <br />
movement started..why it started and who is in it..<br />
it is hard to believe that cheney rumsfeld and condi<br />
could buy into their half baked theories..which were<br />
touted by clarke, wolfowitz, kagen etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The heirs of the socialists of the fifties are Mr. Cheney,  Dick Rumsfeld, and Ollie North?</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Revere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Revere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 02:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Consultant is losing it.  The socialists of the &#039;50s have morphed into today&#039;s environmental movement.  That is just what it is at the heart of it, or the root of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Consultant is losing it.  The socialists of the &#8216;50s have morphed into today&#8217;s environmental movement.  That is just what it is at the heart of it, or the root of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...  The Nation Magazine!!!  The source of all that is good in the world...   Unless, of course your politics like 98% of Americans are to the right of Ralph Nader.  Was the Socialist Worker unavailable?   

Obviously, you have some issues with your own background.  Otherwise, you wouldn&#039;t find these conspiracy theories so persuasive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;  The Nation Magazine!!!  The source of all that is good in the world&#8230;   Unless, of course your politics like 98% of Americans are to the right of Ralph Nader.  Was the Socialist Worker unavailable?   </p>
<p>Obviously, you have some issues with your own background.  Otherwise, you wouldn&#8217;t find these conspiracy theories so persuasive.</p>
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