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	<title>Comments on: Suozzi Pushes Tax Cap, NYSUT Seeks Taxes Tied To Income</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Andrus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Andrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isnâ€™t really a â€œcapâ€ - itâ€™s a rubber stamp, that, if approved, would totally remove taxpayer vote on each school budget, provided the budget doesnâ€™t INCREASE any more than 4% each year {CPTR Preliminary Report, page 9, Part III Recommendations states: â€œSchool districts that do not exceed the cap would no longer be required to submit their budgets for an annual vote.â€} I know that my pay doesnâ€™t increase 4% each year, so whatâ€™s the benefit to the working taxpayer?

Kudos to Elliot Spitzer for getting the tax reform ball rolling, Governor Paterson for keeping the commission active, and Sheldon Silver and Former Senate Leader Joseph Bruno for opposing the tax cap. The commissionâ€™s work has been thorough, although their proposals WILL NOT help taxpayers.

A property tax â€œcircuit breakerâ€ will not help either, as it is really nothing more than the institution of a local income tax - it would try to tie your income to your assessed property value (which is nothing more than one personâ€™s OPINION of what theyâ€™d pay for your property). This is more of what we do NOT need in New York State.

Under the current UNFAIR property tax system, an assessor, who most likely is some sort of real estate professional, provides a guess, or opinion of what your home is worth, and thus what you will pay in taxes, as if that actually means anything about your ability to pay. A family of 5 living in their home that the assessor guesses is worth $50,000 pays twice as much as the family of 5 that lives in the home that the assessor guesses is worth $25,000. Both families use the same roads, the same schools, the same government services, but pay different tax just because of one personâ€™s opinion. This is an abhorrent system that really must go away for good!

What if we instituted a tax system where you paid taxes based on what you consume in taxable goods? Would that tax the rich (who would consume more and pricier goods) more than the poor? YES! Would you be worried about what the assessor assumes your home to be worth? NO! Would the burden of proving the actual true value of your home fall upon you, the overworked taxpayer? The answer is no, it would be a change for all New Yorkers, but could be easily and fairly administered using existing sales tax collection methods. 

In my utopian New York State, the state taxpayers would vote on the tax rate, and the county governments would be paid from sales tax revenues, state fees and fines, etc.., There would be a minimum funding requirement based on population for each county, then the different government entities (schools, police, fire, courts, etc..) would compete against each other, population-wise, politically and via a grading system for remaining funds. 

Even better, perhaps we could consolidate the school districts AND the townships AND maybe even some of the smaller cities to the county level, thereby saving billions (trillions?) in shared service costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isnâ€™t really a â€œcapâ€ &#8211; itâ€™s a rubber stamp, that, if approved, would totally remove taxpayer vote on each school budget, provided the budget doesnâ€™t INCREASE any more than 4% each year {CPTR Preliminary Report, page 9, Part III Recommendations states: â€œSchool districts that do not exceed the cap would no longer be required to submit their budgets for an annual vote.â€} I know that my pay doesnâ€™t increase 4% each year, so whatâ€™s the benefit to the working taxpayer?</p>
<p>Kudos to Elliot Spitzer for getting the tax reform ball rolling, Governor Paterson for keeping the commission active, and Sheldon Silver and Former Senate Leader Joseph Bruno for opposing the tax cap. The commissionâ€™s work has been thorough, although their proposals WILL NOT help taxpayers.</p>
<p>A property tax â€œcircuit breakerâ€ will not help either, as it is really nothing more than the institution of a local income tax &#8211; it would try to tie your income to your assessed property value (which is nothing more than one personâ€™s OPINION of what theyâ€™d pay for your property). This is more of what we do NOT need in New York State.</p>
<p>Under the current UNFAIR property tax system, an assessor, who most likely is some sort of real estate professional, provides a guess, or opinion of what your home is worth, and thus what you will pay in taxes, as if that actually means anything about your ability to pay. A family of 5 living in their home that the assessor guesses is worth $50,000 pays twice as much as the family of 5 that lives in the home that the assessor guesses is worth $25,000. Both families use the same roads, the same schools, the same government services, but pay different tax just because of one personâ€™s opinion. This is an abhorrent system that really must go away for good!</p>
<p>What if we instituted a tax system where you paid taxes based on what you consume in taxable goods? Would that tax the rich (who would consume more and pricier goods) more than the poor? YES! Would you be worried about what the assessor assumes your home to be worth? NO! Would the burden of proving the actual true value of your home fall upon you, the overworked taxpayer? The answer is no, it would be a change for all New Yorkers, but could be easily and fairly administered using existing sales tax collection methods. </p>
<p>In my utopian New York State, the state taxpayers would vote on the tax rate, and the county governments would be paid from sales tax revenues, state fees and fines, etc.., There would be a minimum funding requirement based on population for each county, then the different government entities (schools, police, fire, courts, etc..) would compete against each other, population-wise, politically and via a grading system for remaining funds. </p>
<p>Even better, perhaps we could consolidate the school districts AND the townships AND maybe even some of the smaller cities to the county level, thereby saving billions (trillions?) in shared service costs.</p>
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		<title>By: ed1</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem is, even if by miracle, this got through the Assembly,  they&#039;re already building-in all kinds of exclusions to this cap, such as capital expenditures,  transportation, and special-ed costs among others.  By the time they get through, they will have something that is called an elephant, but in reality becomes a mouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is, even if by miracle, this got through the Assembly,  they&#8217;re already building-in all kinds of exclusions to this cap, such as capital expenditures,  transportation, and special-ed costs among others.  By the time they get through, they will have something that is called an elephant, but in reality becomes a mouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Cap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tax Cap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed1, thinking is good. What normally happens in politics is people say what they feel people want to hear. It sounds good to say let the people with more money than I have pay for my bills. But that does not always happen. Instead of all this talk. It is the democrat assembly members who are holding back a tax cap. In November vote for the Republicabs in the state assembly and you will get a tax cap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed1, thinking is good. What normally happens in politics is people say what they feel people want to hear. It sounds good to say let the people with more money than I have pay for my bills. But that does not always happen. Instead of all this talk. It is the democrat assembly members who are holding back a tax cap. In November vote for the Republicabs in the state assembly and you will get a tax cap.</p>
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		<title>By: ed1</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Jack Benny replied, when the thug declared &quot;Your money or your life,&quot;  -  &quot;I&#039;m thinking, I&#039;m thinking.&quot;  Hate to reply with humor on such an important issue.  I really AM thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Jack Benny replied, when the thug declared &#8220;Your money or your life,&#8221;  &#8211;  &#8220;I&#8217;m thinking, I&#8217;m thinking.&#8221;  Hate to reply with humor on such an important issue.  I really AM thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Point, but how does that solve the property tax issue in New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Point, but how does that solve the property tax issue in New York.</p>
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		<title>By: ed1</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This scenario might give dismay to the higher-earning  partner who thinks he is saving a few bucks,  when, (and perfectly legally,)  partner #2 sells the house, takes the million, and still sues for alimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This scenario might give dismay to the higher-earning  partner who thinks he is saving a few bucks,  when, (and perfectly legally,)  partner #2 sells the house, takes the million, and still sues for alimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Circuit Breaker a bad idea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Circuit Breaker a bad idea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Circuit Breaker will not work. 

Example. -  you have 1 member of a family who makes $300,000 a year. The other member of the household makes $35,000. The individual who makes $35,000 ownes the house. So they will only pay taxes on the $35,000 income 

This situation will make our tax problem worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Circuit Breaker will not work. </p>
<p>Example. &#8211;  you have 1 member of a family who makes $300,000 a year. The other member of the household makes $35,000. The individual who makes $35,000 ownes the house. So they will only pay taxes on the $35,000 income </p>
<p>This situation will make our tax problem worse.</p>
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