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		<title>By: IamJane</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36250</link>
		<dc:creator>IamJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that Ball includes only a snippet of E.J. McMahon&#039;s statement in his own.  Why?  Because E.J. McMahon, a well known fiscal conservative, is very much AGAINST the property tax cap.  It is NOT the answer to NY&#039;s fiscal crisis.  I ask Greg Ball - why not a SPENDING cap for the State Government?  Why put all the onus on school districts when the State&#039;s budget is far more bloated?  His lone &quot;no&quot; vote on the state budget is not even close to being effective.  
To Undecided.Till Now. - I would suggest you do a little more homework on the issue rather than take Greg Ball&#039;s word on where John Degnan stands on the issue.  A lot of fiscal experts say that a property tax cap is not going to save taxpayers any money.  In fact, it is rightly pointed out in other comments that it guarantees a 4% tax increase every single year.  Congrats on being fooled by Greg Ball.  At least you still have time to re-think your vote before primary day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that Ball includes only a snippet of E.J. McMahon&#8217;s statement in his own.  Why?  Because E.J. McMahon, a well known fiscal conservative, is very much AGAINST the property tax cap.  It is NOT the answer to NY&#8217;s fiscal crisis.  I ask Greg Ball &#8211; why not a SPENDING cap for the State Government?  Why put all the onus on school districts when the State&#8217;s budget is far more bloated?  His lone &#8220;no&#8221; vote on the state budget is not even close to being effective.  <br />
To Undecided.Till Now. &#8211; I would suggest you do a little more homework on the issue rather than take Greg Ball&#8217;s word on where John Degnan stands on the issue.  A lot of fiscal experts say that a property tax cap is not going to save taxpayers any money.  In fact, it is rightly pointed out in other comments that it guarantees a 4% tax increase every single year.  Congrats on being fooled by Greg Ball.  At least you still have time to re-think your vote before primary day.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36247</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Patterson will be calling the Legislature back to Albany in August to address the looming budget crunch and greater-than-expected deficit.  I can assure you that passing a &quot;tax cap&quot; in the manner described by Ball will NOT be on the agenda.  Typical Ball smoke and mirrors.  This guy doesn&#039;t know the first thing about how a budget works or how our tax system can be fixed.  Let me ask a simple question, if the State imposes a local real property (school) tax cap, where is the revenue going to come from to meet the revenue loss to the school districts?  The answer to that is simple.  The State will have to step up its share of contribution to the local school districts (aid to education).  That&#039;s good, right? Ok, then, where&#039;s the State going to get the money to fill the revenue gap to the school districts?  You guessed it!  Taxes and fees.  Not property taxes, but from income and business taxes.  This would be fine, but we just heard Governor Patterson describe a $6 BILLION dollar deficit.  So, before the State starts paying the schools the first dollar lost from the &quot;tax cap&quot;, we have to find enough money to close the budget gap.  That is a pretty TALL order when you are talking about SELLING state assets to raise &quot;one shot&quot; revenue - wanna buy a bridge?  This reminds me of the voodoo budgeting that Mario Cuomo was so good at --- until the voters said ENOUGH!  I think we are drinking the koolaide if we think Greg Ball has the right perscription.  I&#039;m sorry we can&#039;t bring back Will Stephens, Jr. (heck I&#039;d take Will Stephens Sr.), but one thing is for sure, Ball is a disaster ... I&#039;m voting for Degnan TWICE.
Oh, and another thing, Ball touts his opposition to raising the sales tax in Putnam County as an &quot;accomplishment&quot; and how he &quot;bucked the old guard&quot;. The Bill ultimately passed the Assembly despite Ball&#039;s protestations and whining. Well guess what Greg, if the County wasn&#039;t allowed to raise the sales tax, every property owner in Putnam County would have been staring at a 66% increase in their PROPERTY TAXES! We would have YOU to thank for that.  Do you own property and pay taxes? This kid talks out of BOTH sides of his mouth.  Its easy to say you don&#039;t like taxes Greg, but you can&#039;t have it both ways.  If you want to make a good public servant, start using your head!  Better yet, keep showing your stupidity -- DUMP BALL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Patterson will be calling the Legislature back to Albany in August to address the looming budget crunch and greater-than-expected deficit.  I can assure you that passing a &#8220;tax cap&#8221; in the manner described by Ball will NOT be on the agenda.  Typical Ball smoke and mirrors.  This guy doesn&#8217;t know the first thing about how a budget works or how our tax system can be fixed.  Let me ask a simple question, if the State imposes a local real property (school) tax cap, where is the revenue going to come from to meet the revenue loss to the school districts?  The answer to that is simple.  The State will have to step up its share of contribution to the local school districts (aid to education).  That&#8217;s good, right? Ok, then, where&#8217;s the State going to get the money to fill the revenue gap to the school districts?  You guessed it!  Taxes and fees.  Not property taxes, but from income and business taxes.  This would be fine, but we just heard Governor Patterson describe a $6 BILLION dollar deficit.  So, before the State starts paying the schools the first dollar lost from the &#8220;tax cap&#8221;, we have to find enough money to close the budget gap.  That is a pretty TALL order when you are talking about SELLING state assets to raise &#8220;one shot&#8221; revenue &#8211; wanna buy a bridge?  This reminds me of the voodoo budgeting that Mario Cuomo was so good at&#8212;- until the voters said ENOUGH!  I think we are drinking the koolaide if we think Greg Ball has the right perscription.  I&#8217;m sorry we can&#8217;t bring back Will Stephens, Jr. (heck I&#8217;d take Will Stephens Sr.), but one thing is for sure, Ball is a disaster &#8230; I&#8217;m voting for Degnan TWICE.<br />
Oh, and another thing, Ball touts his opposition to raising the sales tax in Putnam County as an &#8220;accomplishment&#8221; and how he &#8220;bucked the old guard&#8221;. The Bill ultimately passed the Assembly despite Ball&#8217;s protestations and whining. Well guess what Greg, if the County wasn&#8217;t allowed to raise the sales tax, every property owner in Putnam County would have been staring at a 66% increase in their PROPERTY TAXES! We would have YOU to thank for that.  Do you own property and pay taxes? This kid talks out of BOTH sides of his mouth.  Its easy to say you don&#8217;t like taxes Greg, but you can&#8217;t have it both ways.  If you want to make a good public servant, start using your head!  Better yet, keep showing your stupidity&#8212;DUMP BALL</p>
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		<title>By: Ball promises everything, delivers nothing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ball promises everything, delivers nothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ball called our last assemblyman a â€œprofessional politicianâ€ and a â€œgood old boyâ€ who voted 90% of the time with Sheldon Silver the Democrat Speaker of the Assembly. Ball knew those accusations to be lies, but also was aware the local press could be relied upon not to check the facts on his predecessors voting records. Ball by his aggressive campaign of lies replaced the great representation the district had in Willis Stephens, Jr.. 

Here is what the district had before Ball went to Albany. 

Will Stephens was the Minority Pro Tempore, the second in command of the Republican leadership, and director of floor operations for the minority. He is a skilled attorney, who wrote, personally, much of the legislation that the minority introduced on the floor of the Assembly. He was not a â€œprofessional politicianâ€ as Ball accused, but was a successful attorney in private practice. Stephens had previously been counsel to the majority in the New York State Senate, and as such was directly responsible for policy and the drafting of legislation related to it. Stephens, a home owner, is married with three children, and was well aware of the tax burden working families in the district were facing and continue to face. He fought for property tax relief, and was successful in doing so. As second in command in the Assembly minority, Stephens was able to negotiate with the leadership of the majority, and in being a position to do so, advanced Republican legislation and principles. One has to understand that Democrat assembly members out number Republicans by 2-1, of the 150 assembly seats only 42 are Republican. What influence the 99th had at the time Stephens was the assemblyman was totally lost when Ball defeated him.

Here is what the district got in electing Ball:

Ball now is a â€œprofessional politicianâ€; it is his only job, and he is a backbencher. Ball is totally disliked on both sides of the isle, by Republican and Democrat alike. He spent the prior two years to his election working for Exceed International.  But even though he was employed full time as an executive of the company, he was able to knock on â€œ10,000â€ doors running for the job he now holds. It appears that he received a full time salary from the company, but spent most of his time running for election to the assembly. Nice work if you can get it. Sounds like an illegal campaign contribution to me, but then again I may be naÃ¯ve. Remember he ran the campaign for those two years while being employed by Exceed. He was all over the district, at every event, at every occasion, at â€œ10,000â€ doors. When did he have time to work for Exceed? What did he do for Exceed? What projects did he direct? What revenues and contracts did he produce for the company? His campaign literature was devoid of such minor things.

Ball states in his current campaign literature that he was sponsor of 17 pieces of legislation that passed during his first term in the assembly. That is easily verifiable, and again he relies on a compliant press to not verify his claims. If one checks, in fact, far less has been passed with his name on it. If a search is run, one will quickly see, that Ball only has 8 pieces of legislation with his name on it. 3 pieces contain every assembly members name as co-sponsor( Democrat and Republican), and 5 pieces of legislation were DEMOCRAT introduced bills. In the minority, and a first term backbencher, Ball is totally ineffectual. His claims are preposterous and foolish, and he relies on an uninformed public to believe him, and a compliant local press to not do their homework. 

To the voters of the 99th A.D. please do not repeat the mistake of 2006. Turn Ball out of office. Elect Degnan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball called our last assemblyman a â€œprofessional politicianâ€ and a â€œgood old boyâ€ who voted 90% of the time with Sheldon Silver the Democrat Speaker of the Assembly. Ball knew those accusations to be lies, but also was aware the local press could be relied upon not to check the facts on his predecessors voting records. Ball by his aggressive campaign of lies replaced the great representation the district had in Willis Stephens, Jr.. </p>
<p>Here is what the district had before Ball went to Albany. </p>
<p>Will Stephens was the Minority Pro Tempore, the second in command of the Republican leadership, and director of floor operations for the minority. He is a skilled attorney, who wrote, personally, much of the legislation that the minority introduced on the floor of the Assembly. He was not a â€œprofessional politicianâ€ as Ball accused, but was a successful attorney in private practice. Stephens had previously been counsel to the majority in the New York State Senate, and as such was directly responsible for policy and the drafting of legislation related to it. Stephens, a home owner, is married with three children, and was well aware of the tax burden working families in the district were facing and continue to face. He fought for property tax relief, and was successful in doing so. As second in command in the Assembly minority, Stephens was able to negotiate with the leadership of the majority, and in being a position to do so, advanced Republican legislation and principles. One has to understand that Democrat assembly members out number Republicans by 2-1, of the 150 assembly seats only 42 are Republican. What influence the 99th had at the time Stephens was the assemblyman was totally lost when Ball defeated him.</p>
<p>Here is what the district got in electing Ball:</p>
<p>Ball now is a â€œprofessional politicianâ€; it is his only job, and he is a backbencher. Ball is totally disliked on both sides of the isle, by Republican and Democrat alike. He spent the prior two years to his election working for Exceed International.  But even though he was employed full time as an executive of the company, he was able to knock on â€œ10,000â€ doors running for the job he now holds. It appears that he received a full time salary from the company, but spent most of his time running for election to the assembly. Nice work if you can get it. Sounds like an illegal campaign contribution to me, but then again I may be naÃ¯ve. Remember he ran the campaign for those two years while being employed by Exceed. He was all over the district, at every event, at every occasion, at â€œ10,000â€ doors. When did he have time to work for Exceed? What did he do for Exceed? What projects did he direct? What revenues and contracts did he produce for the company? His campaign literature was devoid of such minor things.</p>
<p>Ball states in his current campaign literature that he was sponsor of 17 pieces of legislation that passed during his first term in the assembly. That is easily verifiable, and again he relies on a compliant press to not verify his claims. If one checks, in fact, far less has been passed with his name on it. If a search is run, one will quickly see, that Ball only has 8 pieces of legislation with his name on it. 3 pieces contain every assembly members name as co-sponsor( Democrat and Republican), and 5 pieces of legislation were DEMOCRAT introduced bills. In the minority, and a first term backbencher, Ball is totally ineffectual. His claims are preposterous and foolish, and he relies on an uninformed public to believe him, and a compliant local press to not do their homework. </p>
<p>To the voters of the 99th A.D. please do not repeat the mistake of 2006. Turn Ball out of office. Elect Degnan!</p>
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		<title>By: smartporpoise</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36236</link>
		<dc:creator>smartporpoise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do you live, Undecided, on a houseboat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you live, Undecided, on a houseboat?</p>
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		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36235</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undecided,

Where do you see immediate tax relief? My school district had nowhere near a 4% increase last year. Most around me didn&#039;t either. It&#039;s typical Ball smoke and mirrors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undecided,</p>
<p>Where do you see immediate tax relief? My school district had nowhere near a 4% increase last year. Most around me didn&#8217;t either. It&#8217;s typical Ball smoke and mirrors.</p>
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		<title>By: Disenchanted</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36234</link>
		<dc:creator>Disenchanted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The idea of a property tax cap originated in the Assembly Republicanâ€™s Property Taxpayersâ€™ Protection Act, of which Ball is a sponsor&quot;

along with 21 other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea of a property tax cap originated in the Assembly Republicanâ€™s Property Taxpayersâ€™ Protection Act, of which Ball is a sponsor&#8221;</p>
<p>along with 21 other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Undecided. Till now.</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36231</link>
		<dc:creator>Undecided. Till now.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ball: for tax cap. Degnan: Against. The choice is clearer to me now then ever, I could care less how annoying Ball&#039;s robocalls are, or how crass Degnan comes off as. Ball stands for immediate property tax relief, Degnan does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball: for tax cap. Degnan: Against. The choice is clearer to me now then ever, I could care less how annoying Ball&#8217;s robocalls are, or how crass Degnan comes off as. Ball stands for immediate property tax relief, Degnan does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Peekaboo</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36226</link>
		<dc:creator>Peekaboo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greg Ball flight song:

So long, farewell
Auf Weidersehen, goodbye

Goodbye
Goodbye
Goodbye

Goodbye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greg Ball flight song:</p>
<p>So long, farewell<br />
Auf Weidersehen, goodbye</p>
<p>Goodbye<br />
Goodbye<br />
Goodbye</p>
<p>Goodbye!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Green</title>
		<link>http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2008/07/29/fiscal-thoughts/comment-page-1/#comment-36223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, the property tax cap is wrong and it&#039;s not going to help anyone other than politicians get elected on a lie.

It&#039;s an acquiescence to wealthy campaign contributors who fear, more than anything, a return to a graduated income tax where they will have to pay more in state taxes than they do now. 

Back in the Rockefeller days the highest earning New Yorkers paid 15% in state taxes. Now they pay around 7%, minus their shelters and deferred incomes. How much do you pay on your $35,000 a year earnings? 6.8%? And those making $3,500,000 also pay just about the same. And through no fault of yours, the property you bought 20 years ago is now worth more than you could ever afford to buy, and you&#039;re taxed on it as if you could.

Once the graduated income tax is in place we can shift funding of education off of property and on to income - where it belongs. THAT will help wage earners lower their tax burden and ensure a good education for students across the state.

It&#039;s the right way to go. It&#039;s the fair way to go and that&#039;s why Albany will not allow it.

Don&#039;t be fooled by caps and circuit breakers. They&#039;re only in place because Albany doesn&#039;t have the chutzpah to do what&#039;s right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, the property tax cap is wrong and it&#8217;s not going to help anyone other than politicians get elected on a lie.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an acquiescence to wealthy campaign contributors who fear, more than anything, a return to a graduated income tax where they will have to pay more in state taxes than they do now. </p>
<p>Back in the Rockefeller days the highest earning New Yorkers paid 15% in state taxes. Now they pay around 7%, minus their shelters and deferred incomes. How much do you pay on your $35,000 a year earnings? 6.8%? And those making $3,500,000 also pay just about the same. And through no fault of yours, the property you bought 20 years ago is now worth more than you could ever afford to buy, and you&#8217;re taxed on it as if you could.</p>
<p>Once the graduated income tax is in place we can shift funding of education off of property and on to income &#8211; where it belongs. THAT will help wage earners lower their tax burden and ensure a good education for students across the state.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the right way to go. It&#8217;s the fair way to go and that&#8217;s why Albany will not allow it.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by caps and circuit breakers. They&#8217;re only in place because Albany doesn&#8217;t have the chutzpah to do what&#8217;s right.</p>
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		<title>By: Southeast Republican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southeast Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A perfect example of why Assemblyman Greg Ball will be reelected in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A perfect example of why Assemblyman Greg Ball will be reelected in November.</p>
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