Edelman: Palin unlikely to woo Clinton supporters
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Local GOP consultant Mike Edelman’s take just now on McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin: “This is a crapshoot for him.”
“Frankly I am disappointed at what I know to be the reasoning for the pick,†Edelman told me.
Edelman said he talked to someone he knows among Mitt Romney’s advisers today about the reasoning behind the selection.
“The reason James Baker was persuaded to select a female from Alaska was the notion that disaffected Hillary Clinton females would be attracted to the McCain ticket,” Edelman said. “I happen to disagree with that.â€
McCain said it was a bid for “the 27 percent of Hillary Clinton supporters who say they aren’t going to vote for the Democratic ticket.†Edelman thinks it won’t work because, “I think those pro-choice pro-Hillary middle to lower middle class white voters followed Hillary for ideological reasons and aren’t going to be easily switched to a pro-life Republican NRA card-holding governor from Alaska who they’ve never heard of.â€
Edelman, who supported Rudy Giuliani and then McCain during the campaign, said Romney, to him, would have been the “obvious choice.†“He’s been vetted, he’s been through a campaign, he would be ready on Day 1 to be president should something happen to McCain.â€
As for Palin, “I’m sure she’s a lovely lady but I’m sure she has a resume that’s as thin as Barack Obama’s.â€
Edelman said in his opinion McCain needed someone with something more equivalent to Democratic VP pick Joseph Biden’s level of experience, who could step in if, “God forbid what happens if two or three years into (McCain’s) term he becomes ill.â€
As for the suggestion that Palin’s selection could potentially make history by putting the first woman into the vice presidency, Edelman replied, “It’s the top of the ticket that makes history, not second place.â€
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The Consultant has told it as it is. Who knows anything about this woman (yet)? Alaska? Seems like a cynical choice to me. If McCain wanted to assuage the age controversy, he ironically just created even more negative opinion. . Not a very reassuring pick for a position a heartbeat away from the Presidency of the USA.
Mike Edelmena is right on.
I’m also a republican and I am fuming upset about passing over Romney for such an inexperienced selectee. I like Palin and beleive she has good conservative credentials, but yes, she has a thin a resume as Obama. This is a poke in the eye to republicans.. 40% of the delegates were looking to McCain to choose Romney (the single largest block of support among delegates). Palin’s support was less than 7%
I am withholding my funds, time, and efforts fromt he presidential campaign and am no longer voting for McCain in the election. Romney was the clear choice based on the ecnonomy, his experience, his surrogate effectiveness on McCain’s behalf, his conservative success as governor of Massachussettes, his fundraising ability among his supporters, and more.
It looks like Obama is on track to become President.
joe..the great thinkers at the national level thought
Mccain needed to shake things up to prevent the democrat
from winning..you simply do not take a dan quayle risk
when you are in a dead heat…even Obama knew
enough to shore up his foreign policy resume…
other than pandering to white middle class hockey
moms..how does Palin’s choice make independents
who will decide this election feel that McCain is
the safer choice
I am disappointed with the consultant and ed1. As a women that is very conservative and pro choice, I will be supporting Gov. Sarah Palin. I believe these guys are stuck in that glass ceiling!!!! Who knows anything about the men that were put up as choices, and what we know is baggage for them. I am very proud of Sen. McCain and his advisers.
I think the American people will get to know and love this very well spoken women, she can stand on her own record and
if the women of this nation want to send a message about how
we can hold our own in politics and life. Yes, to the people
that are afraid of taking risks, I say this VP of the Republican party is worth her weight in gold. Please men of the Republican party don’t show your colors as the Dems want and down play a women with a lot of strength. That is the old boy network the Gov. talked about fighting against.
Sure it is a up hill battle but you men will see McCain’s crap shoot will pay off, if the Republican men will give it a chance and give the team their full fledged support or if not keep their mouths shut.
the above poster is exactly why Palin was choosen..
but the larger issue is whether all voters both men
and women will see it as a gender issue or a
bonaifdes issue..we will see
con-
I think it will work. Many Hillary voters wanted Hillary because she was more conservative (at least they believe so) then all of the other Democratic candidates.
Obama selected a very liberal Senator and so that team is extremely leftist.
McCain is thought as a more liberal Republican than the rest of the Republican field and so that is already a more natural transition. By selecting a woman McCain helps himself with those disaffected voters who are angry at Obama for dismissing Hillary who pulled in MORE votes that any other candidate for any party, ever in American history. That rebuff is much more of a “slap” then the rebuff to Romney.
Further the fact is that Romney’s religion is a problem for some Christian fundamentalist so that selection would likely have lost as many as it gained. By selecting Sarah Palin I think he will end up a net positive. (For the record I oppose that type of bigotry, and any type of bigotry, but I am aware that it is a fact.)
Look at one other issue; nobody can say that the Republican ticket is just two old white guys as it has always been.
This selection is different. It’s change. That takes away one argument and it also takes away the ability of the democrats to use quotes of Romney against McCain and also allows the Republican TO USE Biden quotes against Obama.
Mark my words here, my friend, that giant sucking sound you hear is the women voters going down the drain for Obama. The hurt feelings on the Republican side will heal faster than the reverse.
non
Are you okay with this woman becoming President of the United States, perhaps next August? This is where the cynicism comes in. Unless we are comfortable to become (and maybe we have) a society which is so fed up with the status quo that we will gamble anything and everything on an Obama and/or a Palin, or some other unproven entity, we’re putting ourselves in harm’s way. You don’t turn over command of the Strategic Air Command to an unproven, photogenic 2nd Lieutenant with a couple of bright ideas. Or, do you?
first of all, romney had too much baggage, hiring illegals at his home, laying people off from the corporations he headed and he was too critical of mccain during the primary. romney will make a good secretary of commerce or treasury.
in regards to gov.palin, she is what washington needs, a fresh face reformer. she fought against taxes,spending and waste (fraud) in gov’t. she will electrify the ticket.
ed1-
You are right, however at least she is a heartbeat away rather than the POTUS.
non
The Consultant is batting as well as the Yankees these days. And that is poorly.
First, he loved Rudy. Down he went. Then he wanted Romney for VP. Down he went. The Consultant is also a liberal NY Republican with no real feeling for the rest of the country’s views. The Consultant’s own view stops at the Tappan Zee Bridge. In his own way, the Consultant is as full of sour grapes as that NOW vineyard is.
This was an excellent pick. And McCain will win by at least four and as many as six points.
As for experience, Palin already has more executive experience than Obummer and Biden combined. As for being that “heartbeat” away from the presidency, how about Obummer, who is the TOP of the Dem ticket. He has ZERO experience. That’s of more concern, by far.
By the way, Consultant. I think that “Joe” up there is a Demcorat. You fell for that crapola hook, line and Alaskan salmon sinker.
McCain listened to the late, great Johnny Horton. He went “North to Alaska” and found the bonanza gold.
the consultant is a moderate non idealogue republican
who puts his country first…at this point I would
be far more comfortable with Biden as President
than Palin..sorry.. republican or not..i like
McCain..he is enough of a maverick for me
and the rest of the country but when you compare
the decision that each one made as the first
as president..the biden choice was more serious
in a time when serious counts..
con-
You should give the women a chance to convince you prior to closing the door to her.
Perhaps McCain saw things that you have not had an opportunity to see. Don’t forget that Truman was considered a lightweight upon assuming the office of the President.
So I suggest that you remember the adage “never assume”.
non
I believe McCain’s choice is a good one.
It is time to get rid of some of the candidates with baggage and encombrances (ie:sexcapes, and favors owed) and a person, a woman, who is in the TRENCHES of EVERYDAY LIVING – what it takes to raise 5 kids, manage a budget, manage schedules, triage what is most important, understand what it takes to raise and care for someone with disabilities etc..
And she could assist us in deciding the drilling in Alaska for oil couldn’t she?
Sometimes it takes a Woman – and it is about time..
I personally am tired of the old adage, “the woman behind the man”. It was okay for Hilary and the Dems but not the Republs. What a two faced farce.
Obama is a first time senator, with out any foriegn aid/ally experience and running for POTUS, Palin may be the same, however, she is running as VPOTUS and seems to have her head in the “real world”.
I’d rather have her. McCain dies, She’d be POTUS and we’d have a new VP anyhow to assist her, along with the Sect of Defense etal .
Common Sense. Isn’t that what Regan brought to the table also?
I guess the consultant likes politicians with baggage. Once again the old boys club!!! If you look at the record of Gov Palin, it may not match the NY style but it certainly is the working class, rest of the country style. McCain and crew made an excellent choice and not because she was a women as the consultant seems to imply with my posting. It is because she has what it takes to run this country, experience, common sense and no ego!!!! Get over the fact,
I loved Rudy too but again the baggage and the NY style would not work in the rest of the Country. Don’t be what the Dems have cast the Republican men as being, not thinking women can step up and be equal to you. I know the consultant loved Jeanine Pirro, she was a proven leader with more ego then most men, but what this country needs is someone that is down to earth and not your typical NY politician. Someone, willing to buck the system for the best of the people. Look she didn’t accept money for the road to nowhere, from the taxpayers, she said she would build it herself if it was need. Shows a fiscal conservative. And by the way, my money is on Gov. Sarah Palin putting the Country first,this is serious, so your statement doesn’t fly.
Mr Consultant,
Talk about SERIOUS CHOICES…
Biden was a serious choice because of who could bring in votes, who could bring in money, and who could shore up the inadequacies of an inept first-time senator with a paucity of experience in the workforce and government. Not because he was best for the country.
Serious, is running a family, raising a disabled child and a full time job, and one that nets you a governors position running a STATE.
If you are stating Mrs. Palin is not a serious person or a serious choice just because she is a WOMAN.. I think you better move cause too many people know where you live…
Can you spell “Misogynist ”
Sago I understand the premise…I simply don’t agree
that putting a conservative woman on the ticket will
attract democratic woman to McCain…nor Indpendent
woman more importantly…it will attract lower and
middle class woman who identify with Gov Palin
who is a great example of a woman succeeding on her
own. however in a presidential election the stakes
are higher than making that important..we have
a tanking economy and two wars….are you really
comfortable that if John McCain becomes unable
to serve that Palin is ready on day one?
Mr Conservative,
You moron,
Are you McCain’s personal physician? Is there something we don’t know about?
A
How about another question, like will Obama actually defer to his muslim heritage in foriegn issues rather than his US heritage?
Racism vs gender issues are just as insulting.
Are we banking that Biden doesn’t drop dead. What happens then with a POTUS that has not foriegn dipolmacy background. OR Miliary background?
And do you really think Obama is going to let Biden to squat if he gets elected!!!
I’d rather have a second in command with the experience she has than a first in command than he has.
And why should she only appeal to ‘lower and middle class women”? By the way, what is the census of voters in those two categories… hmmmm….
accusing obama of having a muslim heritage is really
a non starter…if raising a family is so important
why is she leaving her 4 month old to run for office
how conservative is that
Absolutely, and so is the fact that she is a WOMAN.
Figured that out yet?
Oh, and no one male politican has run for office while having small kiddies at home?
And all those Male politicians- while they run for office, don’t you think their wives are working just as hard to get them into office.. who watched those kiddies..
This is not the 1960’s – hello!
By the way, do you have that census of women voters in the lower and middle classes (ie soccer moms – isnt’ that what put Clinton over the top in his last elections) and how much those numbers have increased in the past 10 years…
ok lets agree to wait to see the state by state
polls after the republican convention…for now i think
the choice is a weak one at best.and may have lost him
the election
Oh, and those ‘lower class’ moms. Would they be the ones who are worried about gas prices, the economy, the increasing food bills, the unemployed, etc who’s ranks are increasing in ever enlarging numbers.
If they are the ones to vote, guess Ms Paulin may not be a poor choice, huh?
Consultant- I ready for Palin on day one. And I understand the stakes. What is wrong with the Higher income women who are going to be taxed up the yang-Yang with the Dems. And it is not so bad with middle and low income, I also have faith the Independents will come thru with Gov. Sarah Palin and McCain. Maybe you don’t think I have clue, but women do have a thought. Have a great weekend all.
The Consultant is not credible. Has he railed against William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright? Has he talked about Biden’s plagarism and that Biden couldn’t get more than about 1,000 votes in any primary or caucus he was in?
Has he today criticized the irrelevant NOW, Pelosi, Barbara Boxer—or Obama’s condescending statement dissing Palin? A statement about “small towns” that again shows Obama’s elitism the way his comments about Pennsylvanians did? You know, that notorious one about guns and religion.
No, the Consultant did none of that. Instead, he criticizes Palin.
The Consultant is a left-leaning, liberal Republican. He was a Rudy guy, and Rudy imploded with one of the worst campaigns ever. And he was wrong about Romney being the VP pick too. The Consultant also is locked into what is a New York perspective. The Consultant thinks there are three states in America—New York and California are the Big Two. And in between, it’s all Kansas.
But the hot rumor is that Bill Clinton and John Edwards are already trying to get Palin’s phone number.
as a premise of political thought I don’t agree with
putting the nation in the hands of any particular
person simply because they are a particular gender
a particular color, a particular religion, etc
I believe that the stewardship of this nation requires
the best available people…the democrats have made
their choice for president..a one term US senator
the Republicans made their choice..an experienced
US Senator who was a war hero and who has real
national security credentials…The idea that
a woman should vote for a woman simply because
of gender is not a real good way to run the ship
now he could have choosen carli fiorina, kaye baily
hutcheson, conde rice, and a few other very
talented females who have the credenitials to
serve as president….he chose the governor
of alaska who has been there for two years
and was the mayor of a 9000 person town before
that…apparently his internal polling showed
him behind so rather than go with quality
and a guaranteed running mate he chose to
pick a woman for the sake of making history
you all have to make the determination of
whether that is the kind of leadership we want
Thank you for proving my point about your dissmissive attitude about Palin. You are an elitist, Country Club Republican. You have much in common with Obama.
I am an original barry morris goldwater supporter..you
sir are a hard right conservative
and by the way the governor of alaska is a radical
anti abortion supporter no abortion including the health
of the mother, rape and incest..how is that going to
sit with independents..and you want to know how
many times john mccain met her before choosing her
......ONCE..that means his handlers chose her
based on polling …...for me that dog won’t hunt
and as to my moderate country club credentials
granted thats me..but you need me and a whole
bunch of independents to elect a republican to
the white house..you had me..until today
As a conservative white collar white man I am actually excited about Palin being picked for VP. It’s the best choice McCain could have made. I think that she is qualified to pick up the reigns should McCain keel over. I trust a Washington outsider with her life experience more than Obama with his purely political experience.
And the fact that she’s a woman has nothing to do with it. She’s a good choice. I don’t have to hold my nose to vote for this ticket like I was going to do before today.
Political Thoughts.. Interesting way to describe you own thoughts regarding the current political arena, Mr Consultant. However, please preface these as your own thoughts, and don’t espouse as to it being a ‘consensus of thought’.
And we/I have to make the determination – in our/my own mind(s), our/my own ‘thought(s)’, as to whether or not the consultant.. who appears on news 12 and in these ‘blurbs’.. is or has accepted some type of compensation or quid pro quo, from the Democratic party when we review his track record of whom he critiques and whom he gives a pass to.
As Jimminy Cricket stated above, let’s look at all the free passes he seems to have given the Dems lately.
Can you spell ANTIREPUBLICAN? Can you spell BIASED.
Do you recall the book about Media Bias by Bernie Goldberg and others.
Or whether he is just a misogynist who does not feel a woman is competent enough to break the glass ceiling in garnering the position of VP.
Read what you just wrote Mr Consultant
“rather than go with quality and a guaranteed running mate he chose to pick a woman for the sake of making history”
MISOGYNIST – SEXIST – in my opinion
Shall I mail you a copy of Merriam Webster?
Now let’s review,
It was okay for Hilary – a woman- run for the highest office and break that glass ceiling.. and what did she do? She was and First Lady? Had a failed, laughable health plan, ran on her husband’s coat tails for senate, allowed herself and all women to be degraded by standing by her husband’s public infidelities? And the many ‘gates’ the BOTH of them had to offer while on the public dole.
It is okay for the first black man to run because of his experience in .. WHAT??
His first term as a senator and what else?
Are you really going to tell me he wasn’t put up by the Dems “for the sake of making history. you all have to make the determination of whether that is the kind of leadership we want”
Oh what? The consultant’s comments for Palin don’t work for Obama just as well?
Have a nice holiday weekend, Oh yeah, Labor day, that holiday for us ‘Lower and Middle’ class workers who vote.
and for all our sakes, I hope the voting public at large starts thinking for themselves and not just listening to talking head pundits with hidden agendas.
Although I don’t agree with some of the Consultant’s comments, I generally agree that Palin was a very risky choice and may hurt his electoral prospects. Although given that Bush won with Quayle, I don’t see her losing him the election.
Rahm Emanuel made a nasty and blunt comment about the pick but it is correct. McCain is 72 year old cancer survivor. He does pose a health risk and it is important for him to pick someone with a little more experience than Palin. She may be a great candidate one day but not right now. I also don’t like the fact that he seemed to pick her on a whim.
I personally thought that Ridge was his best bet and I doubt he would have lost many social conservatives over it. If McCain wanted a younger running mate who was seen as a maverick he should have gone with whiz kid, Bobby Jindal, who while only having two years of executive experience, has had many high profile positions in which he has exceded expectations. He would have also been popular with social conservatives.
Where I disagree with the Consultant is that I believe that Palin is more mainstream than he gives her credit for and I think having a woman become VP would still be seen as a glass-shattering event. Palin, may also be a benefit as the expectations for the debate with Biden are so low for her that she stands the chance to really clean his clock. Biden is not a great debater, despite reports to the contrary. An additional benefit is this has changed the topic from Obama’s speech, which was short on facts and very unfair but rhetorically very impressive.
My only confusion was this comment, “The reason James Baker was persuaded to select a female from Alaska was the notion that disaffected Hillary Clinton females would be attracted to the McCain ticket,†Edelman said. “I happen to disagree with that.†Did you mean John McCain or was Baker somehow involved?
BAKER MADE THE FINAL DECISION….AND IT WAS WRONG
Told you so guys…PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN FOR VP ON THE TICKET!
WHY THE SURPRISE?
CONSERVATIVES WILL ALWAYS CONTROL THE PARTY!
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
PRO-LIFE REPUBLICAN
CONSERVATIVES MAY CONTROL THE PARTY BUT YOU CAN’T WIN
NATIONAL ELECTIONS …SO WHAT IS THE POINT
Jim, what are you talking about? If Pawlenty or Romney or Jindal had been picked, the Republicans still would have had a pro-life VP.
I guess one of the good things about this pick is that everytime Obama criticizes her lack of experience, it highlights his own lack of experience. That said, Ridge, Romney, or even Jindal would have been preferable. Pawlenty, at least would have been safe. If McCain wanted to take a risk, there are better ways than doing it with VP. A VP can’t win you an election unless LBJ comes back to life but it does highlight your judgment or lack thereof. Palin, may turn out to be great but I am skeptical and I don’t like that McCain doesn’t really know her. It is too much of a wildcard but we will see. The verdict is still out although I am already disposed in a particular direction.
Ah, a relaxing week on Cape Cod—disturbed by insanity.
My humble prediction: John McCain will carry every western state beginning with the letter “A.” As for the midwest, east, and south, you may begin to put them in the Democrat column.
Now: Ms. Governor Palin is at least a reformer, but she brings little to our national Republican ticket. And the Hillary supporters see through the cynicism, and will swallow their feminist pride while voting for Obama. (Note to my fellow Republicans: women vote issues, not personalities, or marketing ploys. That’s why women voted for Reagan in 1984, not for the Dems with Ferraro.)
I mean, this is like the Ray Romano movie (“Mooseport”). Only it’s not very funny.
McCain as a war hero is beginning to resemble more Bob Dole than Poppy Bush, for whom I voted six times.
As one lifelong Republican here who voted for Gerald Ford, and for every GOP Presidential nominee since, I feel confident in telling you: We are in trouble.
The non-incumbent party seems poised to win this November, owing to the suicidal moves of the incumbent party.
Note to Jim Kelly:
You are beginning to sound like the frequent suspect on Law & Order. Try to find another issue to argue.
By the way: do you have children?
Final add: okay, admit it posters—you are jealous of Mike Edelman.
Mike is what is known as the “brillianter” in the village from where I came. The sage, the mensch, the rabbi, what-have-you.
Mike Edelman has wisdom, and that uninhibited way of his, on many an occasion, causes jealous reactions in others.
Get over it.
In my years in politics-
both in my native California and here in New York- I haven’t met many people with Mike Edelman’s knowledge, or with the confidence and courage to elucidate that knowledge and wisdom.The Consultant was about 16 years old, give or take, when Barry Goldwater ran for President. For him to tout here that he supported Goldwater is ridiculous. His actions in the decades since demonstrate how disingenous his comment above is.
TomJo has it right at 6:18, and I believe I also have it right in my comments. The Consultant proves what a wind bag he is by implying he now will vote for Obama. No real Republican would EVER vote for Obama. But a few elitist Country Club Republicans like the Consultant just might.
How does the Consultant know Baker made the decision? Is he now reading MoveOn, Media Matters or another left wing web site?
Was it not Rudy who everyone said would be President?
He never even got to first base
hey jiminy you are wrong..I in fact at the age of 17 (born
in 1947) was the yonkers coordinator for youth for goldwater
check out the old herald statesman..my dad and barry and
barry’s father morris were friends…I have supported
republicans for office for 35 years..my opinion has to do
with whether McCain putting a woman on the ticket was
a good political move or a move that the conservative base
dictated..My understanding is that McCain wanted Lieberman
How was I wrong, Consultant? I said you were about 16, give or take, when you supported Goldwater. You couldn’t even vote. Since then, you have mophed into a very liberal John Lindsay, elitist kind of Republican.
You also openly support Democrats in Westchester like Janet DiFiore and Mike Spano.
You should end the charade and become a Dem. And the media should stop presenting you as a Republican. That is false advertising. At best, you are a nominal Republican. That’s all. And your track record also has been poor lately. Rudy and Romney? You also are badly mis-informed about what you consider to be “Neo-Cons” and their history and actions.
you said jiminty that for me to tout i supported goldwater
was ridiculous..that of course means that a 17 year old
can’t have an opinion..and even then I was involved..a member of Mayor Flynn’s committee on youth unemployment as
well..a real nerd ….political nerd..i was a pretty
good athlete …but you know what is really interesting
the same intolerance that the parents of my friends showed
me back then when I worked for goldwater..and spoke
my mind..still lives on today as you have demonstrated
they were liberal/ socialists..you are a hard right
conservative….same difference guess what the fastest
growing party in america is…NO PARTY…and that
appears to be where i am heading
read joe klein about the neocons….he nailed it..but
I said it online a long time ago
it is interesting that you say I openly support difiore
and mike spano…we haven’t done one show on either
of them yet…so you can’t possibly know what my opinion
is…having said that..they were good friends before
they ran for office…while they were republicans
and now that they are democrats..I don’t abandon
my friends because their party affiliation has
changed, do you?
I’d like to know where the Consultant got his “information” that James Baker made the Palin decision. There is nothing to back that up. Nothing. Evidence, please?
Supporting Goldwater as a youth was not the criticism, but pointing to it NOW when you have strayed far from that position over the intevening decades IS the criticism.
There is little doubt you will back both DiFiore and Spano. Friends are friends, and that is great, no matter what party they belong to. But a so-called Republican consultant should not publicly support any Democrats, let alone two that left the Republican Party for their own motives—which, simply stated, are for what they think is their own self-preservation.
New Rassmussen Poll on Sarah Palin:
1. Overall favorable…53 percent.
2. Overall unfavorable…26 percent.
3. No opinion yet…21 percent.
Republicans….78 percent favorable.
Independents….63 percent favorable. An important number.
Obama’s Democratic convention bounce has stopped, despite the arrogant stadium setting, Greek columns and fireworks. He is now stuck at 49-45, and the Republican convention, which is sure to produce its own bounce for McCain-Palin, hasn’t even been held yet.
This is a very impressive debut for Sarah Palin.
a favorable rating does not indicate a vote for her.
her negatives are high..considering 47% either don’t
like her or have no opintion…the problem with those
numbers is that the favorable republican number should
be high 80’s and its not…showing reservation about
the selection…guaranteed romneys selection would
have republicans over 90 approving…the daily tracking
poll has obama with an 8 point lead…not a four point lead
as you have stated..so i suggest we all reserve on just
exactly what effect she will have on McCains ability
to win…Michigan is still an Obama state…Romney
would have changed the electoral votes in that state
and maybe one or two others….thats where the game
is ..but I will also wait until after the republican
convention to see the bounce back
Another Republican, echoing the private thoughts of some strategists in the party, was less restrained, suggesting the Palin pick damaged one of McCain’s most valued attributes and wouldn’t help him beyond the party base.
“It hurts the experience edge, and the hard abortion stuff scares moderate swing voters,†said this GOP insider. “It will appeal to some Bubbas, but that’s not enough.â€
the difference between them and me is that they
won’t allow their names to be used..I could care
less..and the above quote is among many nationally
known strategists interviewed
So, you contest “consultant”’s loyalty to our GOP because he was 16 when BMG was running for president?
I was fourteen when I first got involved in RWR’s gubernatorial campaigns.
Some of you on this board who posit yourselves as “conservatives” should read more of Burke, Santayana, Eric Hoffer, Ayn Rand, and others—including reverentially, the late WFB—who influenced the modern conservative movement. Then, you would not deride “consultant” as a “liberal” (in the modern, deprecatory sense). “Consultant” is imprecisely looked at in that scorning way in the same way Barry Goldwater was viewed late in his life. I would suggest you stop being reactive, or, as is the case in some postings, reactionary. You play into the Dem “libs”’ hands.
Some “Bubbas?” Some BUBBAS? That must be from one of the Consultant’s liberal brand of Republican buddies. Pathetic.
The numbers the Consultant cites are from one of the polls that check with just “registered” voters. Rasmussen polls 1000 LIKELY voters. A big difference in terms of accuracy.
Palin’s negatives in Rasmussen are NOT high. Those overall negatives she does show include Democrats, and she also is still mostly unknown by many likely voters, which gives you the 21 percent with no opinion yet.
How about that “experienced” Joe Biden? A couple of years ago he wanted to turn Iraq into Georgia by dividing it into three countries. That was brilliant.
And Biden and Obama both opposed the Surge, which is the reason why Iraq is now being won.
And where is the documentation on James Baker? Did the Counsultant just make that up? I suspect he did.
Tim Hays should be a librarian or a grammar school teacher.
the james baker anecdote was provided to me by
a confidential source in the romney camp…no big
deal they just needed to pursuade him..and they did
it was not his idea..in fact he pushed back on it
the following reasoning appeared in the washington post
i know another liberal leftist publication…
In this regard, count us among the puzzled and the skeptical. Not long ago, no less a Republican strategist than Karl Rove belittled Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as a potential running mate for Barack Obama, noting that picking him would appear “intensely political” because Mr. Kaine’s experience consisted of only three years as governor preceded by the mayoralty of Richmond, which Mr. Rove called “not a big town.”
Using Mr. Rove’s criteria, Ms. Palin would not fare well. Her executive experience consists of less than two years as governor of her sparsely populated state, plus six years as mayor of Wasilla (pop. 8,471). Absorbed in Alaska’s unique energy and natural resource issues, she has barely been heard from in the broader national debates over economic policy and health care. Above all, she has no record on foreign policy and national security—including terrorism, which Mr. McCain posits as the top challenge facing America and the world. Once the buzz over Ms. Palin’s nomination dies down, the hard questions about her will begin. The answers will reflect on her qualifications—and on Mr. McCain’s judgment as well.
Okay guys. I don’t think this is as bad as you are making it out to be. I’ve been involved with politics for over 25 years-locally, state wise (Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Virginia), and Nationally.
I’ve been a state officer with the college republicans, also an officer with the Young Republicans, had friends in YAF, conservative friends who hold office, I’ve worked for a moderate Republican Congresswoman, and the D.C. branch of the Illinois General Assembly.
ANd I have to say I like Sarah Pallin and I’ve also got say my moderate-prochoice-Republican grandmother likes Pallin, my liberal-prochoice-republican aunt likes Pallin, my grandmother’s best friend, a liberal-prochoice-DEMOCRAT LOVES!!!!!Pallin, and my friend, an elected official of Pittsburgh, told me about Pallin 3 weeks ago-he loves her.
So if anyone is keeping track on this blog as to who is for and who is against Pallin-put me in the “FOR” column. Also, I like Mitt Romney, and I would have been happy to have him on the ticket. Now that the ticket is made-we Republicans need to get working for our candidates.
And, on another note, the prolife issue is a battle we do every election-you need more than to be prolife to get elected or defeated.
Other than the foreign policy issue, I think we do need more opinionated mavericks in politics who are not beholden to special interests and politicos who are more interested in maintaining the malaise of the status quo than they are in making this country run efficiently and fairly. Maybe this will work and maybe it is time.
I am concerned with McCain winning the white house…
I don’t think the choice is going to do for him what
he thinks it is..I hope I am wrong…believe me
the consultant
“I am concerned with McCain winning the white house… I don’t think the choice is going to do for him what he thinks it is..I hope I am wrong…believe me”
So you will work to get him elected?
Ohhh! I forgot. Having a woman on the ticket will not woo the Clinton supporters-it will have to be her personality, beliefs, and background that attracts the supporters.
Well, I’ve enjoyed this drowning by Republicans in the waters of “who’s more conservative?”. You can blog 15 entries per person, but that doesn’t mean that 15 more people are convinced of your point of view.
Edelman understands something very important: moderates decide elections, not conservative true-believers or super-duper lierals.
Those of you the far-right can’t/won’t see that the Majority of Americans don’t favor your far-right policies. (P.S. They don’t favor the far-left either).
McCain wins by being a maverick Reublican, not by being a drink-the-Kool-Aid conservative. Moderates have had it with Bush the Younger, Cheney and his merry crew. Only if McCain shows he’s different from Bush, he’ll win.
Keep pushing the far-right agenda, and you push moderates into the arms of Democrats.
TO: Jiminy Cricket and the other conservatives:
Conservative women will vote for Palin.
Liberal women will not.
What a shocking conclusion!
The question is whether moderate women will, and the jury will be out on that for a while. If they do vote for her, it won’t be because of her ultra-conservative views…it’ll be because she connects as a mother on the issue modate women have already rated highly in polls: education, health care, security.
Sometimes (all the time!)rabid ideologues are so busy arguing and defending their point of view, they forget people vote on how they feel, not just on the point-counter-point of debate among the handful who live and breathe this stuff.
Gallup has had Obama and McCain pretty much tied for the last week or two. McCain announces his VP pick, now Gallup shows Obama 49%, McCain 41%.
The GOP’ers who think Palin is the greatest thing since sliced bread are delusional. If Obama had announced someone with the same qualifications, male or female, you’d be all over that as the stoopidest thing ever.
Now you guys gotta live with it, suck it up, and hope McCain doesn’t lose by more than the 8 point difference he’s got now.
This is what happens when you suck up to the neo-cons and the religious right. Maybe one day you guys will wake up and realize that Mike Edelman is right- elections are won in the middle, not by the far right nor far left.
wow! I’m impresed with the logic..all of you should catch
newsmakers this weekend &;30 8:30 10:30 2:30 and 4:30
thanks
Walt Trombone is wrong, and he is twisting things around. But that seems to be par for his course.
In that, he must play the same course as the Consultant. The Consultant is wrong more often than he is right. The Consultant should be a weatherman. But, of course not the Bill Ayers’ type of weatherman.
Palin is an excellent pick for many reasons. Top among them are her indisputable reformer credentials; the fact that she took on both her own party in Alaska AND the oil companies; the fact that she is not a another “Washington Insider;” the fact that she is smart and a great success story—and finally, but importantly—the fact that she comes from a very interesting middle-class American background, has a very good and fascinating personal story, and she also has what seems to be a fine family.
She is real. She is likable. And that matters.
let repeat a point that mike murphy john mccains good
friend and former political consultant made this morning
on meet the press…the object of the pick was to help
with middle class working voters who support Hillary
in the battleground states, ohio, pa, va, and michigan
his point was that he thought (and I fully agree) that
it was better to have your conservative supporters
ok but not thrilled with your pick if you then are able
to cross over to dems and indpendents and win the election
ie better to win than thrill 45% of the vote….its
the original problem I had with the selection and he
clearly has..and as a former MCcain advisor and
confident he knows whereof he speaks
Please read Dick Morris’ article about Sarah Palin, called “The Lady Is A Champ,” in the Opinion section of today’s http://www.nypost.com.
It may be the best column Morris has ever written. And I believe it should settle the discussion about Palin’s credentials and value, no matter what the liberal wing of the Republican Party’s “Beltway Bunch” thinks—never mind the left-wing Dems, who now realize they have a big problem.
And in the news pages, also don’t miss the NY Post’s big expose’ of the ever-slimy Democrat Charlie Rangel. He got caught again. This story has already been picked by the AP wire. It will become even bigger soon.
Murphy is no liberal…and unlike Morris he is on a network
not FOX news
The NY Times is reporting that McCain wanted Lieberman, but when the Christian Right started complaining, after just one short meeting with Palin, a few hours later, they announce her as the VP pick. Sounds to me like another example of the famous McCain temper. “Up yours, you don’t like Lieberman, I’ll give you what you want.”
Yeah, she’s got all of the right bases covered, but she is not and will never be qualified to be President if/when McCain kicks the bucket.
...and then there are the rumors that the 4 month old is her grandchild, not her own.
Dick Morris, who hates Sen. Clinton, has some “juice” in his NY Post column today. By “juice,” I mean he has an agenda. Whether it’s paid for or not remains to be seen.
Now: GOP Girl has perhaps the most rational take on this entire situation, and I am guessing she is one of those bright people we need in management of the Republican Party, of which I’ve been an enthusiastric, registered member since 1973.
The Mayor of Mooseport is an attractive person—intelligent, family-oriented, seemingly-sane, and capable of winning elective office. And, she derides the self-interested crooks who have ruined my Republican Party. Maybe she will indeed prove to be one of those characters right out of a Fletcher Knebel novel who helps save America.
We’ll see.
Note to consultant and others: Cindy McCain made the decision, I am sure.
Winning Veep choices since 1960: JFK chose LBJ on his own, almost impulsively, at LA, following a suggestion by Philip Graham, LBJ’s confidant and Publisher of the Washington Post; 1964: Hubert was in Lyndon’s pocket since 1949, and opposition was laughable (yes, our BMG); 1968: Nixon chose Agnew owing to RMN’s shrewd character and Agnew’s (ironic) civil rights “bones”; 1972: ditto, over oppo from “Dump Spiro” movement; 1976: Walter Mondale was a man of great character and eloquence, former Atty. General of MN who added to the peanut farmer’s ticket; 1980: GHWB was RWR’s main opponent, and Reagan overcame Bush’s mad statements to choose him; 1984, ibid; 1988: Roger Ailes, a brilliant strategist, chose the wrong Senator from Indiana, but it worked anyway owing to Dukakis’s ineptitude and RWR’s safe economy; 1992: “Double Bubba” ticket resonated with voters unhappy with Poppy, and Henry R. Perot’s sabotage; 1996: ibid; 2000: Cheney wasn’t thought of as the person he is today. 2004: Cheney again, with lesbo daugher in tow, was still thought of as “strength” adding to inarticulate president.
And that’s the way it is, Sunday, August 31st, 2008, the 712th day of captivity of our voters in the 2008 presidential election.
Jiminy:
Who’s paying your fare? You sound like an insincere plant, without the courage to use your real name.
Rangel may be the least corrupt congressman to be chairman of Ways and Means in some time. He’s poorer than most US Reps, regardless of party.
I can remember when he beat Adam Clayton Powell in the 1970 Harlem Dem primary. (Fun recall: Rangel’s own MOTHER voted against him.)
When I interviewed Rangel, in an assignment for Harper’s Mag, in 1986, he was fun, and glib, and forthright. No bullshit to him.
There are other Democrats who are corrupt—with a capital “C.”
But: this tiny 3-bed cottage he gets down in the DR—that’s not REAL corruption.
You think of Dan Rostenkowski, or any of the real whores from Texas, of either party—THAT’S corruption.
It’s nice to see the Consultant sputtering away like the funny elitist he is. The Consultant, who criticizes Morris and Fox News, himself holds forth on Peanut TV Cablevision News —also called Snooze 12 by the real “in crowd.” Thank you for not disappointing anyone, Consultant.
Tim Hays. What is to say? If YOU interviewed Rangel in 1986, then YOU must be right. Because you know everything, just like the Consultant does. So what do you know about Rangel, Percy Sutton, Dinkins and the Apollo Theatre and Manhattan Cable? Nothing? I didn’t think so.
You and the Consultant should grow beards, team up as the “New Smith Brothers” and sell cough drops from a lower Manhattan news stand. And while you’re there, why not read a newspaper or three to help pass the time?
Walt Trombone gets more absurd with each post he makes on behalf of the John Kerry, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter Democrats.
How about that John Kerry criticizing the choice of Palin? This is the same Kerry who threw his medals in the Potomac and chose Lying John Edwards as HIS running mate.
And what about Jimmy Carter calling Obama a black boy last week? You can see it on YouTube. It is there. If a Republican had said such a thing it would have been a huge scandal. But, there are agendas in much of the media.
Jiminy:
rotflmao!
You are a REAL person! (Note: if you are a Republican pal of mine, camoflauged owing to a job in which you cannot reveal your identity, pls. email me in confidence and I shall stop flogging you, in anonymity.) (Our laughs, Tim.)
No! I am NOT always right—and, in fact, if you ask either my wife or my two sons, I am NEVER right! And, in fact, hard to believe, I do NOT know everything. Sad to admit. lol—
But my interview with Rangel was magnificent. What a charming guy, with loads of great humanity. He’s full of more shit than a Christmas goose. But, he’s not a bad guy.
We need WaltTrombone here on these boards—he (she?) voices challenges to our generally conservative assumptions.
Me: you may call me a “Lewis Lapham” Republican. I’ve read all of Lewis’s essays since 1972, and he remains my favorite “ballbuster” in American political journalism. I’ll be one of the two persons at Lewis’s funeral. I haven’t seen him in a few years, since we had a few drinks at Elaine’s, but he remains the foremost journalist in our country, bashing the comfortable.
Meanwhile, kids: the economy in October will dictate the outcome of our presidential election. Personalities mean absolutely nothing.
If the economy is down, remember this: the non-incumbent party wins.
1980: my favorite year. RWR wins, thwarting James Earl Carter’s “misery index” economy.
If the fools in DC can raise economic indicators between now and November, McCain wins.
Otherwise, Obama, and his fools, win.
It’s as simple as that.
Here is one for the Consultant and Walt Trombone to ponder as they munch their Captain Crunch or Cocoa Puffs in the morning—sugar-craving kiddies that they are.
I already mentioned Rasmussen, which is good news for McCain-Palin. Now comes the latest CNN poll, showing 49-48 Obama-Biden. The newest Zogby has it 47-45 McCain-Palin.
So much for that Obama convention bounce. It lasted about ten minutes. And Palin is definitely getting good notices.
Barring a major foul up, I think McCain-Palin will soon start to open a small but distinct lead. And then, the Consultant and his John Lindsay Republicans, and Walt Trombone too, can put away the milk they use on that cereal of theirs. Instead, to dull the pain, they can start pouring Dewars on those sugar-coated pellets they love so much.
Happy Labor Day, Tim Hays. Say “hi” to Charlie the Tuna Rangel. But don’t be shocked if he becomes a fat fish on someone’s line pretty soon. And get working on that beard. You and the Consultant can do OK as the New Smith Brothers.
Tim Hays
August 31st, 2008 at 8:39 pm
“Now: GOP Girl has perhaps the most rational take on this entire situation, and I am guessing she is one of those bright people we need in management of the Republican Party, of which I’ve been an enthusiastric, registered member since 1973.”
Thank you Tim!
I tried to send a link to everyone (from redstatesupdate.com – but the link was denied) to lift their spirits. They have a number of videos poking fun of this year’s elections that both liberals and conservatives would enjoy-sorta like the JibJab videos.
AND FYI For Tim Hays: here are a few more of my credentials-at some point we’ll bump heads at an event.
I met my husband at a “Salute to Newt Gingrich” reception which was hosted by “The Conservative Network” and emceed by Lee Atwater. My then-to-be husband worked for Bob Tyrell, editor-founder of “The American Spectator.” After we were married, we moved to New York so that I could work for the editor of National Review, John O’Sullivan-I did also, of course, work for William F. Buckley, Jr.-he was a wonderful man!!!
You know, when people throw “stones” at me on these posts I don’t think they truly know who they are throwing at.
“Women now appear slightly more likely to vote for Obama than they did a week ago, 53 percent now, compared to 50 percent. But McCain picked up a couple of points among men. More important, McCain solidified his party’s base with the Palin selection, dropping Obama’s share of the Republican vote six points to just 5 percent now. The Palin selection did not help among women — that may come later — but it did appeal to Republican loyalists.â€
Palin will have virually no effect on the race and neither
will Biden…Voters still make their decision on who
will make the best president…that is why the race is
now a dead heat…I still think that Michigan will
determine the election
the Real Clear Politics no toss up state poll has
it Obamam 273 McCain 265 as of now..with Michigan as
a solid Obama state…and Ohio as Solid McCain
that has to chage
I believe the consultant is wrong about women voting for Gov.Palin. In my own non-political poll all the women I trust will vote for the ticket because of choice of a candidate that is smart, unafraid of the big boys club and has a backbone. I believe the ones that are ifie will come to see the real asset of Gov. Sarah Palin. Now remember most pro-choice women are not as fanatical as the Now women, an organization that is waning in the hearts of most
young women.
McCain/Palin ticket needs more people to be positive, although the blog majority being negative has pushed me to continue my opinions on this blog. I will work very hard for this ticket and hopefully all the Republicans- Conservative- Independents will support this ticket.
It is my opinion Gov. Sarah Palin will prove herself by Nov.
4th election day.
the language in my post was taken from the recent
polling data so its not my opinion..thats why
it has quotes around it…the issue is not whether
gov palin is a nice woman or is a good person or
a good governor..the issue is whether the pick
is politically smart..It clearly has ginned
up the base and for turnout that is good..but
this election will be decided in the middle
by the people that don’t usually vote or who
pick and choose…so it remains to be seen
if Palin has the electoral effect that the
McCain consultants think she will have…
GOPGirl: thank you.
Undoubtedly, we will meet at some good Republican event. And we’ll become fast friends. Why? You had the good fate to work with both WFB AND John O’Sullivan. Note: I nearly named my oldest son (Chris) “Newt” when he was born in February 1995. But, it would have been like naming him “Sue,” in retrospect.
My signed copy of “Nearer My God. . .to Thee” (Harcourt, 1998) by my hero, WFB, sits in older son’s bedroom, together with “The Right Word,” which WFB wrote with my mentor in publishing.
Got a book idea I could sell to Mary Matalin?
I am the product of a self-made Republican single mother, and she was abused by the chairman of the California Democrat party. (Reagan thrashed him in 1970.)
Here is the problem for all to see:
Michigan: McCain vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain® Spread
RCP Average 08/07 – 08/21—46.0 41.7 Obama +4.3
Detroit News 08/18 – 08/21 600 LV 43 41 Obama +2
Detroit Free Press 08/17 – 08/20 600 LV 46 39 Obama +7
Rasmussen 08/07 – 08/07 500 LV 49 45 Obama +4
Nah, this is like 1976, all over again.
The United States will have its first Black president, and a plagiarizing fool as vice-president.
It won’t be like Detroit in 1936, when Joe Louis won the heavyweight championship, and caucasians there were scared.
You won’t see the corrupt Al Sharpton in the White House.
You WILL see a lot of stealing, thieving Democrats trying to out-steal their Republican predecessors.
Four years from now, my “Romney 2012” tee-shirts will be sold out.
Gov. Romney will be like RWR to Obama’s Carter. We will be thankful for the change, in 2012.
Tim Hays
September 1st, 2008 at 11:23 am
Note: I nearly named my oldest son (Chris) “Newt†when he was born in February 1995. But, it would have been like naming him “Sue,†in retrospect.
Funny, before I worked at NR, we were looking at what to name our son and we settled on William (family name on both sides). When it came down to a middle name my husband wanted a name that began with “F”- we went with my husband’s name instead.
GOPGirl:
I am dying to meet you. We’ll have laughs.
tim@haysmedia.net
To appreciate the former President, the phi beta kappa, all-America baseball playing, WWII-Hero, GWHB, I reverentially place him in our “Hall of Fame.”
For the future, with my humble California roots, I say: “Read my lips: No new Texans!”
And, for all: never elect anybody named “Bush” again.
There’s something wrong in the gene pool.
Read my lips: “No new Texans!”
Something in the gene pool, from the phi beta kappa, war hero father and beautiful, intelligent mother, got lost in translation.
He was good for four years, but Bush was an inarticulate fool, and still is. What an ignoramous. I somehow regret having voted for him.
Lifelong Republican, a Reagan Republican,
Tim
I’ve changed my vote. I’m going to vote for Obama. (It won’t matter here in my home state of New York, which is not a “swing” or “battleground” state.)
Democrat presidents, excepting the eight years of Reagan, are better for business.
A few weeks ago, crossing the Tappan Zee Bridge, I saw a late-model Chevy with an “Impeach Bush” sticker on its rear bumper.
I could not tell whether the driver was a Democrat, or a Republican.
The ignoramous president of the past eight years has corrupted our country.
I am tearing my shirt.
(Note: I was McCain’s Westchester Volunteer Coordinator in 2000, when he was young.)
Syndicated columnist Thomas Sowell probably never sees this blog, but he might as well have. From his column today:
“Right after liberal Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans.”
Amen to that. All those guilty —admit it. That means you, Consultant. And on the other side of that fence is Walt Trombone. Tim Hays is, I think, more of a Whig.
I’m liking you, Jiminy. You are articulate, with thought.
Perhaps I would have been a Whig, circa 1840.
But no: over the last 30 years, I am simply an assumption-challenging Republican. No more, no less.
I like Main Street, and I enjoy the Country Club, too, on occasion.
Your drift is succinct.
Mainly: I disdain corruption, and hypocrytical politicians. Call me a “scold.” It rings right.
no problem jiminy…we country club republicans have been
the swing voters that elected eisenhower, nixon, reagan
bush41 and bush 42…the base can’t elect anyone
so how do we feel now with the revelation that Palin;s
seventeen year old daughter is pregnant out of wedlock
but intends to marry the father..and sarah has retained
an attorney to represent her in the onging troopergate
investigation by her state legislature in alaska?
con-
It shows that she is just like millions of other American families with real problems that require real solutions. At the very least the daughter, like her mother has elected to have the child and that is a mature decision that she clearly made before her mother was selected as the Republican VP candidate.
This family is living their beliefs, with the same failures that all God’s children are guilty of. I have no qualms about this and if anything it might even help, not hurt.
non
PS on a completely different note do you think (as I do) that a certain sleaze-ball lawyer has told his even sleazier client to stfu?
PPS Did you notice that all the zombies are also silent? What a coincidence!
The Consultant goes over the line again. His elitism is more than a little disturbing. Next, he will be blogging on the the Daily Kos as a radical left-winger.
Nonaubiz answered the Consultant very well. The Consultant can’t help himself, because the air is very rare up on that cloud he thinks he lives on.
You are not presenting yourself well these days, Consultant. Or maybe, it’s just that the real you is coming out more and more.
Tim Hays—if you support Sarah from Alaska you could revive the Bull Moose Party. And if anyone supports the Consultant, they can start another kind of “Bull” party.
To the Consultant,
I don’t believe that Gov. Palin’s 17 year-old daughter hurts us deeply. We have long been called the party of the elite. We now have a VP Candidate who has a middle-class upbringing and is experiencing what a number of families are going through.
Sometimes voters, want real-life people who go through what they themselves go through in daily life, to be in office-because the candidates understand their challenges.
I was hoping Romney got the VP slot. But I fully understand why McCain picked Sarah Palin. She makes sense on many levels and I think she will do well.
But the Consultant, a pseudo-Republican, has spent more time denigrating Palin than he has going after that plagarist know-nothing who was against the Surge and who also wanted to turn Iraq into three countries—Biden. He also has not gone after that other empty suit with the bad friends —Obama. He’d rather go after Sarah Palin. That’s why I get annoyed at the Consultant.
He is the embodiment of the snooty, elitist, liberal country club Republican. He also has been in a snit ever since his guy Giuliani ran perhaps the worst campaign in history. And the Consultant also dislikes Conservative Republicans. He almost belongs with the Obama camp. They all can go to Jeremiah Wright’s “church” together for the next 20 years.
Or….maybe Sarah Palin can just take the Consultant hunting. She’s definitely much better at it than Cheney is.
Mmmm..I do a great “When You Wish Upon A Star,” by Jiminy.
By the way, both the Presidential as well as the VP slots on the democratic side have engaged in some plagiarism.
Let’s not that Obama stole a great deal of Mass Governor Deval Patrick’s speeches.
non
but Jiminy I do a great Al Joleson…I was just posing
the question as did David Brooks this morning in the NY
times….in fact the pregnancy may play very well
in the lower working class battle ground beer drinking
states where McCain needs votes…but the more troublesome
issue is the apparently investigation of Palin ..why
select a running mate with any baggage when you have such
a large pool to select from
and to non..the silence is defeaning..maybe they finally
get it
snooty elistist country club republican..yup thats me
its code.for ” I think before I pull the lever”
AND TO REPEAT AS OF THIS AM HERE IS WHY I AM VERY CONCERNED
Tuesday, September 02
Race Poll Results Spread
National CBS News Obama 48, McCain 40 Obama +8
Monday, September 01
Race Poll Results Spread
National CNN Obama 49, McCain 48 Obama +1
National Gallup Tracking Obama 49, McCain 43 Obama +6
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National CNN Obama 46, McCain 44 Obama +2
What is so troubling about those poll numbers? The Republican convention bounce hasn’t even happened yet, because the convention is just getting underway.
If Palin delivers a good speech, this will all go away in a hearbeat. Her daughter’s pregnancy is a non-issue, anyway. It’s a family matter.
The left-wing Dems will overplay their hand, as usual. This matter of Palin’s daughter will blow up in their faces, not McCain’s. Walt Trombone, for one, wrote a hideous false smear on this blog on August 31. Read it above. He called it “rumor.” It was a smear from the far-left blogs.
I see the Consultant is up to his usual snootiness, referring to “beer drinking states.” He sounds just like Obama did in dissing small towns before the Pa. primary.
As for the trooper matter, that was in the Alaska papers long before McCain selected Palin. Her response to that is well-known, and she does have enemies in Alaska who would like to get her—not only Democrats, but also the corrupt Republicans she took on and defeaated.
To much Liberal, Westchester Politics for me.
This is why most in downstate New York do not have a pulse on National & State Politics.
This is why the State GOP is in trouble. They too have gained to much “Albany Tunnel Vision”
There is more, much more grass roots GOP in New York State (Southern Tier, Adirondacks, Central NY & WNY)
Many now agree focus should head upstate for the GOP.
The Consultant asked, “why select a running mate with any baggage when you have such a large pool to select from?” The answer is he didn’t have such a large pool to select from. Everyone on McCain’s shortlist had significant negatives with the exception of Ridge, whose position on abortion would have led to problems with social conservatives. I also fail to see how country-club Republicans are the swing vote in most elections. The traditional country-club Republican was fairly partisan and lived in the northeast. The swing-voter tends to be blue-collar whites.
Tim, you are becoming like Jekyl and Hyde. One moment you claim to be a Reagan-Republican, the next a libertarian Republican, the next a country-club Republican, and finally an Obama-supporter without much of a rationale for the change.
I also fail to see how George W. Bush “corrupted” our country after the Clinton years or how Democrats are better for business. Neither Bush nor Cheney has been accused of accepting bribes or selling out the Lincoln bedroom. You may not like the President’s policies but that hardly makes him corrupt and I hardly think that someone who graduates from Yale and Harvard (regardless of legacy) is an ignoramus. He is just a bad public speaker as was his father.
It is difficult to measure how the economy would have performed with a member of the different party in power i.e. Clinton was blessed with a pretty good set of circumstances and traditionally business prefers Republicans.
Don’t mind the Consultant too much. When he hears about a hurricane, he just tries to blow even more hot air around. The Consultant wants to outdo hurricanes in the wind velocity department. He often succeeds.
Some may want to check out the http://www.nypost.com editorial about Joe Biden today, under the Opinion section. It’s titled “Iran’s Most Useful Idiot?” That October 2001 New Republic article they refer to is still available on line.
I am trying to insult anyone. I just strongly disagree with some of the comments here and I find some of the posters less than consistent. I believe the Palin pick was an unnecessary risk for McCain but that doesn’t mean that she won’t turn into a net plus.
I also found the Fox News swipe to be unnecessary and inaccurate. MSNBC’s roundtable consists of Olbermann, Matthews, Maddow, and Mitchell with some occasional input from Buchanan or Scarborough. There is not a single Bush supporter or Republican. Buchanan, left the party (it would be like having Nader on the air) and agrees with the Democrats on war and trade. Scarborough, didn’t support Republicans in 2006 and declares himself an independent now. Fox, has some partisan Republicans but plenty of Democrats as well including people like Greta Van Susteren and Howard Wolfson.
I think that the proof of the pudding is in the eating
Palin is dominating the news cycles..she is distracting
from the purpose of the republican convention and its
message about McCain and national security..this would
not have been the case had McCain picked Romney
It appears that the conservative hard liners are driving
the choices that McCain is making and that in and of
itself makes his candidacy less attractive to the independent voters in Ohio and Michigan which he must
win to garner the 270 electoral votes…Palin may
be a lovely lady, and exactly what the base wants
but she is not helping the top of the ticket discuss
his issues on his terms…
Ian, you can insult them when they deserve it. And a couple of them often deserve it. It’s called karma, or Kismet.
Consultant, What the press is trying to do to Palin is going to backfire. Watch and see. You hope it sticks to her, but a good speech by her tomorrow blows all of it away and then the backfiring will begin.
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You are right about Palin dominating the news cycle. One should remember the adage from Madison Avenue, that any publicity is good publicity. The fact is that Obama is not dominating the news cycle, and that is not good news for the dems.
There is a smaller that normal bump for Obama, and that seems to be dwindling as we speak. McCain has an opportunity to gain his bump, let’s see if he can. I am betting his is doing a jig in celebration of Bush and Cheney “not being able to attendâ€.
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here are the most recent polls regarding the race:
Election 2008 Latest Polls
PresidentSenateHouseGovernorMisc.Tuesday, September 02
Race Poll Results Spread
National Gallup Tracking Obama 50, McCain 42 Obama +8
National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6
National USA Today/Gallup* Obama 50, McCain 43 Obama +7
National Hotline/FD Obama 48, McCain 39 Obama +9
National CBS News Obama 48, McCain 40 Obama +8
Monday, September 01
THIS IS DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO EXCEEDING 50% FOR THE DEMOCRATS
LETS HOPE THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION CAN REVERSE THE TREND
AND PULL THE RACE BACK FROM THE BRINK..ONCE IT GOES OVER
50%...ITS TROUBLE
From Politico
Obama’s bounce smaller than others David Paul Kuhn
Mon Sep 1, 10:38 PM ET
Barack Obama’s post-Democratic National Convention bounce in the polls appears to be slightly smaller than the norm of past conventions, and it’s gradually depreciating.
The Gallup daily tracking poll has found that since the conclusion of the convention, Obama has risen 4 percentage points in the polls, to lead McCain 49 percent to 43 percent today. That’s a slightly smaller uptick in the polls than the 5- to 6-point bounce earned by a typical party nominee, by Gallup’s measure, since 1964. Obama and McCain were evenly split at 45 percentage points apiece prior to the Democratic convention, according to Gallup.
That outcome comes despite Obama’s speech before more than 80,000 people at Invesco Field in Denver on Thursday night, a political event that was also seen by about 40 million television viewers. It also comes as the Republican convention quietly got under way in St. Paul, and the national media gaze focuses southward to Hurricane Gustav.
Daily tracking polls by Gallup and Rasmussen Reports demonstrate that Obama has taken his greatest lead since July, if not the general election. But while Obama’s support remains significantly stronger than weeks ago, it appears that the post-convention bounce he earned may have already peaked.
On Saturday, Gallup reported Obama was ahead by 8 percentage points. By Monday, that lead had shrunk to 5 points. Rasmussen pegs Obama’s standing as relatively stable in recent days, with a 49 percent to 46 percent lead over McCain when “leaners†are included, a small but statistically insignificant improvement for McCain of 1 percentage point since Saturday.
CBS News reported Monday that Obama is now ahead in its poll, 48 to 40 percent, a 3-point uptick in Obama’s standing compared to its poll prior to the Democratic convention. Obama’s 3-point bounce exceeds that of John F. Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2004 who did not rise in the polls following his convention. But Obama’s bounce is less than a third of what Al Gore received in 2000 and Bill Clinton received in 1992. Even Bob Dole, following the 1996 Republican convention, received a 4-point bounce in the polls, 1 point more than Obama.
But any Obama bounce, if it is sustained, could be said to be a victory for Democrats. In the days since Obama gave his address, the news cycles have been captured by the unveiling of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as John McCain’s running mate, the opening of the Republican convention and the threat posed by Hurricane Gustav.
There have been only three previous back-to-back conventions, most recently in 1956. The effect of the GOP convention on the polls will not be known for days.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll and a Zogby Interactive flash poll, both completed over the weekend, have found the presidential race is in a dead heat. According to both polls, Obama attained no statistically significant convention bounce.
Whether Obama is ahead or tied with McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee will now come into the Republican convention with his best opportunity yet to break through his own ceiling and take a lead in the presidential race.
the problem with that analysis is that unlike other
conventions MCcain had the immediate opportunity
to step on the democratic nominees message with his
VP pick for the following days to increase the democratic
lead indicates trouble for McCain..lets see if his convention can stop the bleeding
RE: The Gallup daily tracking poll has found that since the conclusion of the convention, Obama has risen 4 percentage points in the polls, to lead McCain 49 percent to 43 percent today…...
I was off by one percent. I told you no major bounce for Obama. Trust the inter poll on that, Rems poll.
Trust me I have seven people in the McCain Camp. We are doing fine at this point – give it time.
Give the “Underground” time to finish working.
I’m watching closely…believe me…you have to factor
in the VP announcement as accounting for cutting the Obama
bounce..but that doesn;t explain the 8 point lead he
has in the CBS poll
The CBS poll? What about the others? The Consultant keeps looking for and even hoping for bad news because he doesn’t want Palin. There is also one new poll, the name of which escapes me, that says a full 35 percent of Hillary supporters have not made up their minds to vote for Obama.
Personally, and for what it’s worth, I also put much more stock in polls that survey “likely voters,” like Rasmussen does, rather than just registered voters.
you may be right..I am just going by my gut…
RE: CBS poll
Just look at the polls that count for real.
These are the same stupid polls that said Rudy was “Clear Favorite” to be President for the GOP. (I signed my name to blogs across the State of NY and told many in the NY GOP they were nuts to think so!)
The same dumb talking heads who drink and eat in the SAME circles day in and day out ….Same talking heads who attend the same cocktail parties.
Regarding polls: There are Registered Voters, Likely Voters, Positively without doubt I Voting Voters categories….....
There are also polls that are being taken in the Swing States (Which is all I care about) (Electoral College)
I tell you what,...... I see upsetment coming for the Liberal Talking heads. They are throwing the kitchen sink at the VP and it is going to back fire!
Jim Kelly – NY Conservative Campaigns
polls are used to discern trends…trends indicate
whether candidates have traction or not..it doesn’t
matter what polls you look at as long as their are
multiple polls on the subject..